Resonding to the above post: I know there have been a lot of posts about this -- the go-go boys are selling their youth, we should be happy to make them feel rewarded, etc.

But if a Thai guy would work 12 hours a day and maybe make 8,000 a month in a manufacturing job (which even then is probably above-average earnings in Thailand) I don't see the sense in being relieved of 2,000 or 3,000 baht (drinks, off-fee, and boy tip) taking a boy out of a bar (who might not even be satisfactory sex anyway). What I don't understand is why there are not more hot guys walking around outside hoping to connect for 500 baht. Actually, there are some--but not the number that one would expect for Patpong area, etc. (and for 500 baht compared to what they make at their jobs). If anyone knows a good place to meet guys on the street after midnight, PLEASE post! My walking circuit is Rama 4 to Silom to Patpong night market street to Suriwong to Soi Twilight and then back down Rama 4 to Silom. After screening out what my instincts tell me are the opportunistic fakes (who usually first talk about "massage" and probably won't be good sex), there are very few guys I'm interested in. But I've been able to resist temptation with the go-go boy thing--maybe I should try it, but I've always eventually been able to meet someone elsewhere.

I'm also aware of cruising generally by that whole Royal Palace / army baracks area (see numerous posts on that).

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No offense meant, Wantasian. 'Eventually' might be fine for some people, but I prefer immediately - especially when I dont have a long holiday to spend looking for someone who might, just might eventually want to go to bed with me.

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i've had a chat with a massage guy from hero, who after his 'office hours' heads to the go-go street on suriwong, sits at the open-air bar (which is at the very beginning of that street/soi) and waits for customers. he charges a minimum 1500 baht and it seems that this is truly his lowest charge. he admitted to be earning around 60,000 baht per month, which is more than comfortable income in bkk.

my main problem with the sex-for-money business is that most thais in that line of work tend to be straight and sex with them simply isn't good. it's mechanical (if they manage to get hard, which is not guaranteed) and lacks passion. for them, we all look alike, whether old, young, fat, fit, balding, with hair, short or tall. they're ok as the last resort, but definitely not before all other options are explored.

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I don't know, I am not sure that gay boys overall give any better service than straight ones. I mean, it's a given that straight boys aren't attracted to you -- but it's also probably true that the gay boys aren't attracted to you, either (unless you happen to be 20 years old and look like Taylor Lautner).

Not much difference, in the end: it's all just a job.

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I love Gweilo's posts. He has the exact same observations as me. I'm sick of the fake, mechanical sex I've had with some money boys in Bangkok (who have been pampered by pathetic farangs). I'm also sick of having to coax them into doing what I want (they don't naturally do anything right). But I have had great sex with some money boys (usually gay types). The best Thai guys I've met have been in saunas, and spontaneous encounters in public places followed by going to my hotel room (some money, most not). On my last trip, I had fabulous sex with non-Thai Asian who I met cruising in Silom Complex. That's why I'm so against even trying a go-go bar, and I hate other bars.

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I agree with you there.

I have not offed a boy from a go-go bar or massage place in years -- unless I just feel like servicing someone or just laying back and getting a nice hand job (which I do every now and then).

For "real" sex, cruising is the way to do it. Either on the internet or the old-fashioned way.

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-- Possibly that might be BANANA BAR on Soi Twilight, off Suriwong rd., that is next to the FAMILY MART outlet?
- I'm wondering if THB.1,500.oo. is a fair charge, and what one receives for that?
-- I would not know how many masages he gives per diem in HERO MASSAGE, (HERO, I've been given to u'stand., is a popular massage-parlor and works on what might be termed a production-line basis for its non-regular & Thai customers?), but maybe that masseur paces himself - like responsible drinkers should - so that he has enough energy etc. remaining for his out-of-hours customers?

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I have just been to BKK for a 4 day stay and would like to share some information:

Convenient Hotel to stay in is the Le Meridian which is on Suriwong Road, directly opposite the night market in Patpong and a 100 metres from Soi Twillight. Safe atmosphere in and around the hotel. Good shopping at your door step.

The best Go-Go Show are in the following places:
(all within 3 minutes walking distance from the Le Meridian)

1st Choice: Jupiter 2002 - good lively classy shows, good looking men, big cock show, there is no 'fuck show' here.
Classy, sexy shower show.

2nd Choice: Dream boy - good show, good boys, big cock, fuck show
(After Dream Boy you are led to Boys Bangkok which is actually in the next room - the same boys that were in Dream Boy were in Boys Bangkok, but the show was slightly different)

3rd Choice: Tawan - muscular men, big cock, fuck show, the rest of the acts were rather bizarre and not as good as Jupiter 2002 or Dream Boy

4th Choice: Fresh Beach Boys - big cock show, fucking show, bad show, poor music coordination. You can give this place a miss.

Have fun dudes!

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-- On sat., 16 apr., evening my Enthusiastic & American Friend and his farang lady friend - she makes no secret of the fact that she prefers strong & young Thai men - visited a couple of a go-go bars in Soi Twilight: off Suriwong rd.. Here below is a summary of his report to me -

1.- OCEAN BOYS. - Approx. a dozen or so visitors; ciggies'. smoke so thick that the two left after only a few mins.;

2.1. - At approx. 162145.hrs. they wanted to enter the 1fl., (US. 2fl.), DREAM BOYS. but were denied entry as that bar was reportedly full and had no more seating avail.;
2.2. - Thus it was to the GF. BOYS BANGKOK., wch. became fuller and fuller with apparently no restrictions on the numbers who were allowed entry;
- Drinks at 300.Bh.;
- My E&AF. noted that it seemed to be mainly SGPeans. - judging from the looks of those who were desending from, and availing of the GF. hawng nahm, & returning to the upstairs DREAM BOYS.;
- The 2230.hrs. show started some 15 mins. late; the first few acts - they walked-OUT after the 4th. one - consisted in the main of either screaming katoeys or a couple queans, the volume of whose mics. seemed to be turned UP to MAX.!

-- Final verdict: 'NEVER AGAIN!'.

-- E&OE. as reported speech. --

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Does anyone recently visited Inter Mustache's House?

Long time no hear someone mention this gay bar, or maybe it's closed...

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Re your first comment about bars, the problem is that your logic does not tie in with Thai logic. Don't ask me what Thai logic is, though, because I don't know - and I think that goes for most farang.

Re your second comment, I do think you are patrolling completely the wrong area. Guys in that area are generally there to meet up with friends going on to the discos or occasionally bars. They know that most farang are bar hopping etc. and so I doubt if they'd expect much custom.

As for 500 Baht pick-ups, that area is also wrong as farang visiting it are perceived to be wealthy.

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There are definitely hustlers on Rama 4 between Suriwong and Silom--but a lot of them are the same ones, and I think a lot of them won't give satisfactory sex, either. But I've gone with some.

As for Thai logic, I always wondered why a Thai will sit in a taxi in a traffic jam when he can simply get out and walk the remaining 500 feet in a few minutes. But, oh, no, they absolutely won't get out and walk, and the taxi drivers also think this is very odd (if I'm almost at my hotel but just want to hop out early). So maybe Thai don't care at all about spending night after night on stage without getting offed, when they can easily connect somewhere else.

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-- Y'day., (27th.), evening and walking from THE BALCONY BAR to NATURE BOY along Rama IV. rd., (agreed: but one time & one place.), I saw only two boyz wishing to make themselves known to me, neither of whom had I seen there before.
- But previously there had been a slight rain-shower wch. might have driven-away some of them?

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-- Y'day., (27th.), evening I went-to NATURE BOY on Soi Naras Thiwat 1., (aka. Soi Anuman.),;
- ETA.: approx. 23.oo.hrs.;
- Only half-a-dozen boyz on parade, incl. the one with a large tattoo all the way across his chest;
- Drinks at 150.Bh.;
- Straight away I was joined by boi #12., same one as on my previous visit,(qv.);
- Without any hesitation he played with himself for a few moments and as soon as erect he stood-up, dropped his briefs and invited me to smoke him; just 'Make me an offer ... .';
- During the hr. or so that I was there I was the only customer;
- This time was bill was correctly charged for the two drinks that only the boi & I consumed.

-- With Municipal Elections this sunday officially it will be a dry week-end:

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saw a dream boys show last week. there was nothing unusual/special about the show. same acts (fucking show, fluorescent light show, etc).
again, most guys were on a shorter, younger side. the vast majority have never been to the gym. maybe 5 or 6 were fit.
the waiter/mamasan told me that the guys expect a 2000 baht for sex. WOW
drinks at 300 baht (an equivalent to one good lunch)

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