-- Y'day., (11th.), I visited K-MAKE CLUB.;
- See MASSAGE VENUES. postings #937., 1,022., 1,036. & 1,100.;
- ETA.: approx. 15.45.hrs.;
- The male receptionist, who spoke adequate enough English for what was req'd., & I agreed-on 500.Bh. for my usual 90 mins. & oil-massage;
- Khun Sai-Fa was available, so I chose him; He told me that he is 22YO., hails from Roi-et, (although his pale skin-color might suggest Chiang Mai rather then I-San.), is better looking than his photos. in >à¡Âì Gay : Thai Massage Boy < might suggest; speaks fair English provided one chooses one's words and speaks slowly;

- Before showering I availed of the hawng nahm - neither ablution spray was functioning and the toilet's flush was OUT of action;
- In the shower-room I didn't see any mouth-wash, (as on my previous visit.);

- Khun Sai-Fa was awaiting my return with just a towel wrapped-around him;
- A good & workmanlike massage; att'n, paid to my lower back before moving farther S..
- As he massaged those parts upon wch. the sun ... I lifted my pelvis to make it easier for him - a move that was misinterpreted as my being prepared to offer the Final Favor - something for wch. I wasn't ready at that time, especially when his towel was removed and I saw his uncut endowment: well - I've met Thai boys whose cocks are either longer or thicker but he combinedthe best of both worlds: let's say approx. 7+".long by better than 6".circ. at the base, enough to make most men proud owners!
- I told him that he is much too big for me; at wch. point he excused himself to go to the hawng nahm. After his return - it was obvious why he'd gone - he offered me the Final Favor, but after just a few moments declared that it was too painful for him;
- So we ended-up smoking eachother to the usual HE., wch. left us both 'Sabai, sabai.', (tired but happy!);
-- We showered together, before dressing and going downstairs to recept'n. where I was handed a glass of cold water - ugh!
- This clock-watcher noted that from entering to leaving the massage-room wast about 80 mins.;

-- I enquired-about four-handed massages and was offered my usual 90 mins. for just 700.Bh., (PLUS TIPS.),.

-- Masseur Sai-Fa's prefered choice to join him in a 4H. massage would be masseur AHM/AUM?
- I'll be at Immig'n. in a fortnight's time so afterwards I'll go and try-out masseur Ahm before deciding upon a 4H. massage or otherwise.

-- As an aside Khun Sai-Fa's endowment is not as big as I was led to believe by my Enthusiastic & American Friend who visited several days previously - but it's still impressive enough to satisfy most Size Queans!

-- For the return journey I took a #29. 'bus. to Mo chit, (as sugggested by Khun Yannawa.),: 14.Bh. & approx. 20 mins. journey's time.

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so NOW I understand!
Was there a day or 2 ago. And MANY thanks for yannawa and you for hinting and discovering this place. Was there a bit early-came via Pak Kret and traffic was much smoother as expected. First took a walk around (that map is slightly misleading-its to the right of the forner JUSCO-now Valumart/Aeeon.
I got offered a kind of special-500 bt for 2 hours. This turned out to be a type of light-scrub, followed by oil/aroma, but not that sticky type you usually get). In fact this is cheaper as in a normal Thai-style nouat shop. Got a new guy-said he was just working there for 3 days. A student at Rajabaht, from central Thaild. But he must have 3 years of experience in good treatments. (actually-I think he is also the right boy for you, sextile). Asked for khun Wa-he was not there. Sai Fa (=in the sky) showed reluctance and turned off any eye-so I assumed he was expecting someone else. My choice I will reveal later-I test it out soon for more discovery.
It really is a hidden rough gem in suburban BKK. By now I give it 4**-worth a detour, for 5 they would need to get the final finesse-touches done. The receptionist apparently wanted to tell me something or ask about-he even foned a friend to translate, but after all I still do not know what this was about.
Anyway-thanks again and more to follow.
(BTW- it was ages ago since I was in that part of BKK. Lots of cutesey young lads in restrts etc. Also I went a little furhter to the Tesco near Sapan Mai-loads of well trained airforce staff in skimpy shorts and green Ts.

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1. - On 25th., (Tksgvg.), I plan to visit the IMMIG'N. DEPT., after wch. I would like to re-visit K-MALE. As he sounds to be worth a try perhaps you'd be kind enough to give me the a/m. masseur's name?
2. - Would that be the TL. on Phahon Yothin rd., (Khet Bang Khen.), nr. to a branch of the BK. Bank?

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1. still I hesitate a bit-quite willing to share, but as aid-wouldlike (promised him) a 2nd time for moreexplorations
2.yes, Phonytn is that very, very long road,going north. This TL is just beyond the oval roundabout (which I call Laksi, bit is in bang Khen khet). Go forther north and there is an airforce traingbase (also the back side of old DM airport=also airforce) and a little further in a side soi just before Hoda/Nissan is TimBukTu sauna,''with an african theme''

PS. K-M (IMHO) should be thought of in the Thai way. They really try to give good service and are genuinely disappointed if that fails. The boys seem to be selcted on thai criteria: as white skin as poss, and a 11th finger as large as poss.
For that 500 (but in fact I neglected myself to ask what it would be) I got a direction to shower-alone. Then the small room only had a mattress on floor-so OMG-thats 2 hr Thai). But it staretd with a light scrub, very well and firmly done, boy kept on his underwear- a kindof sexy feel-through. Every square mm. below neck was covered-untill in between the toes, I dont like those sandpapaer scrubs very much, but this was light and for the central section (underwear area) another cream was used. So thought nr2=thats it, a quick JO. But no-it lasted for 40/45 min. I was again directed, with fresh towel, to the shower. There was a cupboard,but used for stoiring the oil etc-not for purse. Boy stayed outside waiting. They have larger rooms with massage beds too-I guess every boy has his own room and he was lowest in the pecking order.
Then part2=oil,more aroma(not that sticky you mostly get). Again he surely knew how to handle, started again with back with long, firm strokes and some xtra (request) for shoulder-computer. Now he was also naked,with 2 pleasant surprises. Moved down to central and then it all became for to obvious and changed direction. He really seemed a bit disappointed I let him do most of the work.
All in all the 2 hrs lasted 100 mins.
(BTW-ZAC, the receptionist) now is listed as ''new boy'' in 88in Nonthburi.

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-- In my posting about my 2nd. visit to K-MALE CLUB., (this thread - #01.) - Khun Sai-Fa being my masseur - I should have added that I was pleased to note the Sai-Fa had brought-IN with him a small tray on wch. were Condoms & K-Y.;
- It appears that at least this massage parlor is taking some responsibility for SAFE SEX!, and thus should be better patronised.

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A little obsessed are we?

Does the reception staff, hopefully the manager, sterilize the telephone apparatus hourly or even lees. Heaven forbid if he/she doesn't, the sky might fall in.

And perhaps there's a connection to shower with host or not shower with host, and perhaps there's a connection to whether it's a rule (who made up the rules?) that shower must absolutely be hot water!

And perhaps what's not being considered here is the expectations of a typical Thai customer?

And perhaps we might like to remember that in most massage venues the vast majority of customers are in fact Thai.

Could it perhaps be that for the typical Thai customer (and please please please lets at least for 1 second remember that this is Thailand) prefers to shower totally alone? Most Thais are in fact very shy about showering together / revealing themselves totally.

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Obsessed we are in the pursuit of SEX.

To my mind it is really useful to have as many details as possible regardless of how trivial these might seem. While I have most interest in the 11th finger I still enjoy reading about about interior decoration, facility standard etc etc. These do have help decide what to visit now I;m here.

Unlike you but like most posters I don't live here.

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1. - Agreed;
2. - Obviously I cannot write on behalf of the Thais, but from what I've seen most Thais appear to be shy.
- However, I am writing about a business: in this case a massage parlor where I am the customer paying for a service and also giving the masseur his TIP., (and YES - I'm not unaware that money isn't everything.);
- Really what is the difference between being naked in the shower with a customer and being naked in the massage-room?

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"Really what is the difference between being naked in the shower with a customer and being naked in the massage-room? "

Well that just displays that you don't understand the finer points of Thai culture and behaviors.

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Sextile:Save Your Breath.

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Right on, Xfun!! You said it perfectly.

Foreigners should stop their false dreams of expecting every Thai to succumb to them. Although the massage house is a business, there are limits and money is not always the answer.

I am Thai and proud of it. It sickens me to see nasty farangs whose day to day existence revolves around exploiting and then complaining about the Thais. Don't come to Thailand just because you couldn't get it at home and expect the Thais to be falling all over for you.

The level of criticisms over a relatively small amount of money to the foreigner (what, $55 for a massage and tip?) shows the small mindness and cattiness of these washed up queens.

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Reading the tone of this thread I am wondering if Rupert Murdoch has taken over Cruising For Sex.
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Well said, but those locals should also stop looking at us as just a greenback or euro. This tends to work both ways in most places I've traveled where the country I'm visiting has a lower living wage than my own.

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Well let's get to the bottom line here.

Young men who work in these places are there for one thing; trying to make some money, and for a very very large percentage it would not be their chosen work if they had other options.

Most are hoping they can make some big bucks and move along (after all they hear lots of stories, and are often given over the top hopes by venue owners). Some of course stay because they find they can put up with the whole thing for a possibly better than average monthly income.

And, as most 'visitors' to Thailand know, through various processes, pretty much all Thais believe that all westerners are rich. Rightly or wrongly that's the impression Thai's have. And it's not only Thailand, I often work in Vietnam. In the same 'trade' working men have the same impression; all westerners are rich.

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