I knew I was doing something wrong all this time, when I am negotiating for a smoke the elephantine size (or not - fortunately usually not~) of my equipment is the deciding factor - a top's life is never an easy one :-(

bkkguy

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I visited 88 Massage yesterday, via river boat to Nontaburi and then bus 545. It was worth the trip. From their web page;
88 Massage : à¡Âì Gay Ê»Òà¡Âì ÃéÒ¹¹Ç´à¡Âì
I had lusted after B-Boy. The place is easy enough to find from the map on the webpage. It is near the beginning of Rawadi soi 21 on the edge of a local food and clothes market. At about 7pm, there were about 10 boys available. B-Boy was AWOL but another boy I liked was there...all 6'1" of him. Went for 1 hr oil and 30 minutes scrub...Bht550, but about Bht400 if before 5pm. The lobby was good and staff friendly and helpful. You can choose from a photo book or look where the boys are sitting. Was asked if I wanted mat on the floor or a table. I like the mat on the floor..more sexy I always think. It was a big room with arm chair and music. But shower was separate. The Isaan, Khon Kaen boy came in to soap me and nearly made me cum right then and there. I resisted...temporarily. Back in the room, I was massaged and scrubbed by the naked boy. The oil massage was even more erotic than my first experience at White House, Bangkapi. He had an exciting body to body routine with ever-increasing rigid dick-to-bum routine. Largish solid dick and good body. He really wanted to fuck me...but alas, not something I ever fancied much. He initiated rimming and smoking and did it with gusto. As far as I could tell, there was nothing he wouldn't do willingly. I eventually came in his mouth while he masturbated himself. Showered again together. The manager had said Bht500 is a minimum tip, but he was certainly good for Bht1,000. Then I took a motor cycle taxi to the main road for Bht10 and then bus 545 to Central Lhad Phrao and MRT home. If Khun B-Boy shows up, I shall return. For me, the sex was a little too easily available...I prefer to work harder for sex! But others may enjoy the boat ride and the pleasant 88 experience.

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-- Glad to read that another & outlying massage-parlor has been sampled; reads as though it was well worth the trip.
-- Looking-at my BKK. BUS MAP. - ISBN.: 9-789745-250451 - it would seem that 'bus. #505. - it runs along R'damri. by LUMPINI PK. - might get one to within say half a mile, (it would drop-off one at the Thiwanon:Ratana Thibet i'sect.), and then an healthy & expectant walk would get one there!

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Yesterday I went to K-Male:
K Male à¤àÁÅ : à¡Âì Gay Ê»Òà¡Âì ÃéÒ¹¹Ç´à¡Âì
for a massage with Khun Boy.
As I mentioned earlier, the rooms are good..all wooded reception and passages. Rooms have mattress on the floor or a table. Bathrooms separate.
The boys sit in a back room with glass in front...if they know you are coming, or scattered anywhere if they don't.
The boss M, is friendly and helpful.
My boy Boy, helped me shower and massaged very well naked. He soon got excited but stuck to the massage regardless (unlike the 88Massage guy who couldn't contain is horniness so well). Pretty good and would return if they get some Isaany boys.
An hour and half massage was Bht500 and minimum tip (soft sex were the actual words mentioned) is Bht500.
But after leaving I went across the yard to the Golden Grill in the front of Valu Mart and got my fill of Isaan boys...no sex of course. Khun T is the warmest that I encountered. I discovered that Golden Grill has a chain of 8 restaurants in Thailand including Robinsons Ratchada food court, RCA and Khon Kaen. It is a knock-off of the Jeffer chain but cheaper.

To get to this place, after leaving Immigration on Chang Wattana Road, cross over the footbridge and take bus 150 going east. About 1 km after crossing over Vibrahardi Rangsit road, look for a big McDonalds sign on the left and get off the bus there.

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-- Y'day., (11th.), with tee rak being away in PDRL. - and thus having some free time of my own - I took the boat to Nonthaburi, (pier 30.), and thence 'bus. # 545., (the 'bus. stop. is some 200yds. along the rd. that leads straight inland from the river.),. Sit on the 'bus'. LHS. and look-out for Tiwanon sois 5. & 7., (LHS.),. Debus. ASAP. after soi 7.. and you should be not too far from Raewadee 21.

-- ETA. at 88 SPA. was around 16.15.hrs.;
- addr.: 35/149-150, Soi Raewadee 21.,
Tivanon rd.,
Nonthaburi, 11000.
- tel.: (02)-580 5239.
- web: > 88 MASSAGE & SPA <

-- The M'san. had just stepped outside so I was handled by one of the masseurs;
- I chose my usual 90 mins. & oil-massage at a special & promo.rate of 300.Bh.;
- Being a newbie there I allowed a masseur to be chosen for me: khun Pahm; 20YO.; from BKK. who speaks v. ltd. English; an heftily-built young man but without being fat. Apart from some facial similarity he doesn't look v. much like his photo..
- Massage room clean and of adequate size; thick mattress, approx. 72".x48". on the floor and covered with clean linen; towels clean & soft;
- Toilet & shower along the passage;
- Back in the room khum Pahm was awaiting me with just a towel wrapped around him - possibly a good sign, I thought?
-- For the massage my torso was covered by a towel and the massage started - good & firm, as I prefer. The masseur proceeded from my ankles and up to my thighs, after wch. he sat-on the a/m. towel to massage my back;
- After that he squatted at my head as though to massage my shoulders but made his other intention all too obvious. I shall allow the hand of discretion ...
- Then it was shower time, first for himself and then for me;
- Total time in the room was just about one hr.;
- I gave him his TIP. in the room.
-- Downstairs I was brought a cup of hot & herbal tea;
- The masseur who greeted me sat-down and asked if e'thing. was alright? I was minded to tell him that I didn't consider it so, but decided to hold my tongue instead;
- I asked, as usual, for their business-card, but none was available.

-- I took a m/c. taxi. back to the pier for 25Bh..

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Are we to understand that you take a tape measure with you?? I would have thought a 12inch rule folding variety) would long enough!

What was the problem? That you were short changed 30 mins on the massage or something else?

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1.- Ha! Ha!! My rule isn't quite that long!
- Lying-on the mattress with my head at the top end my feet o'hung. at the other end; stretching-out my arms gave me a rough indic'n. of the width.
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2.1.- Yes, short-changed by 30 mins., but no great deal, really, bearing in mind that I would be paying but 300Bh.;
2.2.- While the actual massage was firm, too many parts of my body not massaged: head & shoulders, all front of my torso;
2.3.- Masseur's idea of sex was a little smoking from me followed by a longish auto hand-job;
2.4.- Solo showering;
2.5. - For me it fell a long way short of the blah in the Directory Section of the monthly & freebie mag. Axis. - #13.: '... this place will serve you need with special treatment and special masseur who can keep you relax.';
- OK. - MORE fool me for believing what I read; this illustrates the need for CFS. and for its 'Word of mouth.' suggestions.

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Why is everybody talking about "a little smoking" and not saying "sucking"? Is it normal in Thailand to talk about "smoking" in stead of "sucking"? Does anyone know the Thai word for smoking/sucking?

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There are a number of rather colorful ways (some more vulgar than others) that refer to sucking cock. The ones that spring to mind are:

ดูด (dood - to suck) ควย (kuay - cock) - so the phrase would be ดูดควย (dood kuay). The ควย if often simply abbreviated to เค and is written in English as "K"

Also, the word อม (om - suck) can also be used to replace ดูด. หำ (hum) can also be used for cock. There are others but ควย and หำ are the most commonly used in impolite society.

Another way of referring to oral sex is ใช้ปาก (use mouth) - this is more polite.

I was in Pattaya last weekend in Good Boys and asked one of the 19 year olds what he is able to do with guys. Fuck and jerk-off he answered. I then asked him ใช้ปากได้ไหม (can you give head) and he replied in the negative.

There are other more esoteric formulations but these are the most commonly used and understood.

Apologies if my transliterations are off - I never learned how to use transliterations.

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