Went to Hero Massage on a weekday afternoon. Found it as welcoming as described on various forums: two English-speaking proprietors who put me at ease; clean and comfortable place; fixed prices at 600 Baht for the house and 1000 tip for the boy; had a drink while viewing the boys behind the glassed pane. There were about thirty of them, most of which surprisingly did next to nothing to attract customers. I asked who was really gay, and the owner told three boys to stand; then asked who has a big cock, and again three were made to stand up. Unfortunately there was no overlap between the two threesomes, so I opted for one of the latter group.

The room was spacious, with a good shower and a wide massage bed. We showered together before and after, and the massage plus the extra were between ok and good. Which brings me to my question:

The boy (who really had a big cock which I enjoyed) wouldn't suck me without a condom. When I later asked one of the owners about it, he confirmed that that's the way it is. Is this really so in Hero? At other Bangkok venues? Do they really think this is necessary to avoid AIDS?

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It is up to the boy, as it should be. Everyone has the right to set their own limits as far as safe sex goes.
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Agree with Icon.Hero generally will present guys who don't oral with rubber but it sometimes occurs.A few at various venues including Hero may rim.One time at Hero a masseur was placing a condom on and I thought he was going to smoke.Turns out it was his style of preparing to sit on and ride.

Being smoked with condom has no feeling for me and I have respectfully abandoned the exercise and settled for erotic massaging/hand job of my cock.
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Totally agree with ICON, in fact If I came across a venue that instructed their working staff they had to smoke WITHOUT A condom then I would not patronize that venue.

Every working man has the absolute right to protect his health and to insist on a condom. If the working man doesn't insist on a condom to smoke the customer so be it.

If the working man said he was willing to be penetrated without a condom then I would not take up his offer and would also not engage in smoking the young man, etc.

Do you really think venue owners / captains / mamasans, and probably 99.9% of the working boys are fully knowledgeable about how you can / cannot catch AIDS?

And there's other STDs as well as AIDS.

There was in fact an article recently in the Bangkok newspapers about a rise in the incidence of ghonorea (sorry about the spelling).

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yes, an eye opening experience is to attend the Anonymous clinic or HIVNAT and see guys from the venues in Silom receiving treatment for HIV. These days the medicine does not produce the gaunt look of a decade ago so the % of virus carriers is not apparent. Obviously visiting those places would be intrusive, but statistics alone should prompt everyone to adhere to safe sex.

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What is pathetic is there are farangs who will only fuck a Thai without a condom. I've heard stories about this. I feel sorry for the Thai who is faced with this.

I have no problem about oral sex without condoms. Despite the cautions out there, HIV is spread through anal sex, and I've even been told when getting tested that oral sex does not spread it. I know everyone will say, "Well, what about cuts in the mouth, etc." But again, I was told by someone very knowledgeable and experienced in the AIDS testing area that oral sex is basically zero risk. And I believe it's also the one getting passive receiving anal who gets infected (but then how would the top have been infected to begin with?).

I would never even consider anal sex without a condom.

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If they insist on using a condom to smoke someone, then I think the customer has every right to refuse to pay, or request someone else, or walk out.

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And then they have every right to kick your ass. Seriously, I'm having trouble believing this isn't a wind-up post.
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I would pay for the massage itself, but if they were expecting a tip for some promise of sex, I wouldn't do it. I've never had a massage except at Wat Pho, or in my hotel room from a lover staying over. But if I was treated like some kind of diseased farang by a massage boy, it would be a total turnoff. I'm happy I've never been drawn into the massage world. And I know your snide response--"And they're glad never to have seen you."

By the way, what's a wind-up post?

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Please do yourself a favor and do NOT visit any of the gay massage parlors in Thailand.

It could be very bad for your health -- you could seriously end up with a split skull from a broken beer bottle.

I'm being very serious here.

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Judging by the tone of some recent posts, CFS Thailand is in danger of turning into Sawatdee Gay Thailand so I will try to counter this negative energy by saying, quite unequivocally, that I love you all.

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I know a boy (long time) who caught HIV by giving a BJ to a customer though a dentist had extracted a tooth which caused a deep, open wound. I had warned him and even provided some money in order to allow him to stop working for a few days. Even the dentist had warned him,but....

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Wantasian wrote "But if I was treated like some kind of diseased farang by a massage boy, it would be a total turnoff."
Looks like YOU are diseased, at least mentally, as your posts show.

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No name calling please. Keep this civilized.

Thanks,
Keith

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I'm just amazed at all the unprotected fucking that goes on in saunas (including in the U.S.--but especially in Bangkok). I wonder if some of these people know they're already infected and don't care. But I think it's really just weird gay mentality. Another thing that amazes me is guys who insist on having sex in parks, restrooms, etc. and then they get busted by the police. I have connected in parks, restrooms, and begged the other guy to please go with me somewhere else, and they absolutely won't. It's like they absolutely have to have risky sex.

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