Are you suggesting that having 16 and 17 year olds on site should be shrugged off?

The situation may be better than it was -- but Sunee's reputation remains intact (and for good reason).

Everyone knows that it is still the place to go for those with "exotic tastes". And the apathy (if not outright belligerence) of the regulars down there is deafening.

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You are so completely wrong that it is unbelievable.

There are 100's of regulars that go to Sunnee. A very small % may be looking for underage boys. The rest are quite happy with boys of age who already look much younger to a Caucasian eye.

These regulars have no control over the boys offered except not to patronize the Bar when it is evident that many of the boys are underage at least to their eyes.

That is in fact what has happened which is why so many have closed. You need to also remember it is impossible to tell a Thai boys age by looking at him. I can parade many in front of you that you might say are underage when in fact they are 23 or 24.

Also I will have no problem finding an underage boy in Boystown or on Soi Twilight in Bangkok. Does that mean those bars and that area should be disparaged. Of Course not!!!

There is underage in all the girl bars in Pattaya and Bangkok also but again it has become a smaller and smaller %.

Nothing happens overnight and instead of disparaging certain areas for past transgressions, how about recognizing the improvements and supporting the continued improvement.

Every time you make Sunnee sound like pedophile Heaven you encourage more and more pedophiles to visit the Area!!!

Icon now I see in another thread you admit to not being in Sunnee for 6 months. I think people who have been there recently and not just one visit are probably in a lot better position to comment on Sunnee Plaza in its current state!!!!

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Didn't say any of those things.

NOT all customers who go to Sunee and NOT all bars there offer underage.

It IS, however -- without debate -- the number one destination for people with those tastes. And blatant underage (not 23 or 24 year olds who might look 18) is still available to anyone within about two seconds of making your desire clear.

This is well known, I'm not letting on any secrets here.

I will have another look in the next couple weeks and report back. If it looks like Tuscany, or if blatant underage is suddenly not there, I'll eat my hat.

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Everything goes in cycles including sexual behavior. Online sex is never going to go away, but just because it appears to have eclipsed real world encounters, doesn't mean it will always be that way. Here in America there is something of a reaction to all the deceptions of Internet hookups happening and some men are discovering the 'efficiency' of standing next to the man you're sizing up, not relying on his online profile.

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"Everyone knows that it is still the place to go for those with "exotic tastes". And the apathy (if not outright belligerence) of the regulars down there is deafening." YOUR WORDS

Of course it is what you said!!!! Would you like to retract the words.
"apathy (if not outright belligerence) of the regulars down there is deafening."

You want to paint the entire area and the customers with 1 brush and as I have shown you and everyone else. You are wrong.

From the photos you post that are at least a year old and 1/2 the bars have been replaced with much newer Bars etc. to your all encompassing comments where you paint everyone with 1 brush.

Stop trying to be an expert on a place you have not visited in 6 months and that even then probably spent only 10 minutes in.

Keep trumpeting that Sunnee Plaza is underage heaven and see if you can get some more pedophiles to visit.

Instead talk about the improvements and the lack of any bars who specialize in underage and maybe they will go someplace else.

But at the very least stop posting like you are an authority on Sunnee Plaza. Because as everyone realize by now you are not!!!!!!

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I think you need to take biggles' advice and take a chill pill, Nancy. Far too many exclamation points.

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Interesting twist on Tuesday's police raid on Sunnee. Walked past Good Boys late tonight and - surprise surprise, its open and business as usual. It was obviously just a lucky co-incidence that the owners decided to give their hard working boys a well earned (unpaid) day off on Tuesday, so there was no-one on premise to age or urine test when the big bad boys from Bangkok came a- calling. Couldn't be due to the fact Good Boys is part owned by a senior member of the local constabulary - could it ??? Tut tut , perish the thought, of course not

On a less flippant note- it really makes the point that this is just grand-standing / PR by BKK politicians with no real intention to change anything. The system in Pattaya is too well established to let BKK control the agenda - or the cash!

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You need to have enough honesty to admit when you are wrong or unduly prejudiced by things you saw or thought you saw many months ago!

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I said I would revisit in coming weeks.

If it has magically been transformed from a cesspool to a sparkling Tuscan-like village square in the past six months, I will readily admit my opinion was out of date.

How's that?

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If you let me know when, I'll shout you a Campari on the rocks so you can soak up the full Italian atmosphere.

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Nastiest beverage known to mankind, but perhaps a different tipple.

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Not acceptable. You need to admit that it is much better with some new Bars and less underage Boys around(in fact substantially less)

Not that it is a Tuscan Village because I never said that. This is Thailand. I don't want a village full of thieves and pickpockets and where drinks $10-15 US.

I want an area with a choice of bars and comfortable chairs, and fair prices and a lot of eye candy that might be available.

I will take that over a Tuscan Village anyday!

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"Not acceptable" to hold a view that differs from yours? Then I'll just stay home.

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Your responses are inane . No where have I said you can't have your own opinion. What you should not do is spew out information like it is a fact instead of your opinion.

You should not engage in discourses with other members about which you by your own admission have no recent knowledge.

Acting like you are an authority on Sunnee Plaza when you have no recent experience (6months) and I would be willing to bet extremely limited experience in total.

Bottom line if you don't know what you are talking about , you should shut up. Believe me everybody here now knows you have no recent experience in Sunnee Plaza and anything you say about it is based on limited experience and past prejudices.

Stick with commenting on things where you can add helpful information instead of made up facts and year old photos etc.

That is in fact why this board exists!

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Dear Firecat.

Everybody has the right to express their opinions on this board or wherever, and you need to respect that right.

In fact overall I agree with ICON. Your claims that it's all now different and cleaned up or whatever is rubbish.

I walk through SUNEE, and I see underage boys everywhere. Very recently I went inside one go-go venue and instantly walked out because the boys dancing were very clearly underage, and very definitely not 23 or 24 but looking underage.

You seem to suggest that the 'bad' venues have closed. I suggest to you that they have closed because they could not survive as viable businesses because of severe lack of customers because of political turmoil etc etc.

You may not like other people stating it as they see it, but please respect others rights to state their opinions and observations.

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