Bago

Can you recommend a good sauna place in chiang mai with lots of hunky thai guys (not twinks) ?

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Could someone please define "hero type"?

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My understanding is that the 'all-in' fee or posted 'minimum tip to the boy' is for massage only and for any 'extra' activity an additional tip is expected.

The young man was maybe 70% complete with the massage (which he did well) when I instigated some play which he responded to immediately and from there he tried hard to please without any further 'pushing'.

He came buckets and was very attentive to 'help' me to cum. The passionate kissing went on further, at his instigation, for quite a while on the bed and then again, his instigation, when we went back to the bathroom to 'clean up'.

Half way through the shower he sat me down on the toilet (big open bathroom, shower next to the toilet) and sat in the opposite direction on my lap holding his erect again penis together with mine and started more passionate kissing, all very enjoyable.

Plus throughout the whole time he was very pleasant to be with considering he's clearly a str8 boy (as most massage boys are). It was one of the most pleasant experiences i've ever had in a massage venue in going on 3 decades of living in Thailand.

He made no actual request for an additional money but I considered he was entitled to extra and I did give him an extra tip. He thanked me nicely and put the cash in his pocket, no spoken or body language whatever looking for more.

I don't disclose how much extra I give (when deserved) but I'll just say in this case above 500Baht.

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Sorry Bago, my knowledge of gay saunas in CM is zero, hopefully another CM member will respond to your question.

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CM has only 2 gay saunas. The centrally located one is House of Male, which is cheap, popular and dirty. You get all types there, but I think the twinks make their appearance on Tue & Thu, when there is buy-one-get-one entry. The other venue is Club One Seven, which is more expensive, upmarket and hard to get to. I have not been there for ages, so can't comment. But with just 2 venues, you can't really choose your clientele type.

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I think you have the wrong understanding.

The minimum tip is for basic sex and massage.
Nobody goes to a gay massage center just to have massage alone and the massage center knows it.

Customers might as well go to a non hanky panky straight massage place and look for a male masseur that costs much less per hour if there is no sex.

Everytime I go to bangkok or chiangmai, I gave the minimum tips to the boy and not mamasan. The mamasan only gets the room rate.

eg. In hero, bangkok I gave 600 baht (room rate) to mamasan and minimum 1000 baht to boy directly (depending on the boy's performance). A few times, i didn't pay any tip to both boy and mamasan if the boy's performance is really bad. I just pay the room rate....

But it just might be the case that your new massage center is 'up-class' ?

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Have you ever been to HERO massage in sukhumvit , bangkok ?

It means they have muscular, big size guys but not to the level of the bodybuilders of Tawan bar in bangkok

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Well not a misunderstanding. My local friend who went to this venue and alerted me to the place was shown the usual menu, which said 60 min oil or cream 1,100Baht. He says he responded with a comment that the price was quite expensive, mamasan or owner (I don't know which one) quickly explained that the 1,100 covered the fee to the house (the room charge as you call it) plus minimum tip of 600Baht, but boy doesn't get the mimimum tip until customer has confirmed he's satisfied.

I haven't visited any massage venues other than HERO in Bkk for perhaps 2 years so maybe I am of touch with prices / procedures etc.

My local friend has since mentioned that more and more venues, all locations, state or have a sign saying 'The minimum tip to the massage boy is .....Baht'. A couple of friends have mentioned they have asked 'what does the mimumum tip cover' or similar questions. Answer seems to be 'it covers the tip for the massage, anything more you must pay an extra tip'

The key parts of this all confirmed by the massage boy that I selected.

Not necessarily all that releveant but 99% of gay escort agencies in Japan have a similar approach, 99% of venues insist that the customer pay in advance at the venue / office or by credit card over the phone, and the total fee paid (in advance) covers the tip to the boy.

Fee is by the number of hours booked, and where the boy has to travel outside the customer is expected to call the agency (they have staff at their office all night) to confirm the boy has left and the service was satisfactory. The boy is also expected to call his master and confirm he's on his way back. The boy knows he must call within a few minutes of 'times up' and must go to the office immediately, and if he's back within a reasonable time he gets his full tip. If he's late he will be accused of giving the customer extra free time or similar and possibly get penalized.

I didn't call the first time I did this (I misunderstod) and within a few minutes of the boy leaving my hotel (he left exactly on time) his master called me and asked to speak to the escort boy. I explained that he had left the hotel, the master then said the boy had already called him to say he was on his way back. The master then asked If i was satisfied and I said I was.

I know for a fact (again personal experience) that if you offer an extra tip to Japanese escort boys they will politely but strongly refuse, I also know that Japanese customers never offer an extra private tip to the boy.

69 in CM seems to be a well organized and quite nicely set up venue (how long this will last perhaps another question). Hi-so? Not really.

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-- Should the customer be dissatisfied with the basic massage will his TIP. be refunded?

-- So one is paying thrice -
1.- Room charge - say 450.Bh. or thereabouts for one hour;
2.- MINIMUM TIP. for massage - say 500+.Bh. &
3.- Additional TIP. for the 'Extra.' service.
- So it's up to the careful customer to ask whether the chosen masseur is 'fresh' still and therefore can rise to the occasion - ha! --

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Here, in my limited experience I have found that His Club has been "honest" about the situation of each boy -- the "condition" of the boy at a particular time and day, but 2brothers has not been honest on that.

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'Refund'. Well nothing is paid until the whole 'event' is finished, therefore any customer can always decline to pay the house fee and /or a tip to the massage man or perhaps reduce the 'Posted minimum tip', I have heard of guys doing just that. So 'refund' is not in the process / oprom at all.

Venues have different policies and payment processes, if you don't like the process at some venues then don't go there. I didn't write that I support the approach of 69massage, just reported their system, as said above if you don't like it don't go there. I'm out of touch with this subject, other friends tell me there are several Bkk and Pattaya venues who now take this approach. Don't like it, don't go.

At 69 massage the 'routine tip' to the boy (slice of the total fee) is 600Baht. I wonder how many farang customers, if there has been quite some sexual activity with the boy trying hard to engage and please the customer, would today tip only 600Baht (if all the money to the boy is totally separated from the fee to the house). My guess (I said guess) is that many customers would pay more than 600Baht in this instance.

HERO has a posted 1,000Baht minimum tip to the boy regardless of the quality of the massage and regardles of whether there has been any sexual activity. Again, If customers don't like this system, don't go there. And I say again (for sextile), nothing is paid until it's all over, so refund is not relevant.

Perhaps some venues are trying to protect their staff from very stingy customers who give extremely small tips, these people exist, massage or go go boys there are numerous stories over decades of boys providing service then being cheated. It happens.

'Fresh'. Nice idea and we would all hope that the massage boy has not been 'active' in the last couple of hours before 'your turn'. In reality, how many operators of these venues are seriously oriented to total customer satisfaction and total honesty? Very few. Not saying that's OK, just saying it's a reality of this industry.

Personally I always ask whether the young man I'm interested has 'just finished'? Is the answer always honest? Sometimes yes - mostly doubtful.

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Noticed today that One-Two-Come has closed. Can anyone confirm this? And also where have their boys gone to?

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One-Two-Went?

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My last visit to this venue was about 12 months ago, new gatoey mamasan full of total and conflicting bullshit.

I asked about several boys in the photo album and gained nothing but total confusion: not sure, maybe eating now at noodle shop, cannot call etc., etc.

I made the mistake of taking a young man to the room on the promise of 'new' and 'everything' from the loud mamasan.

Total zero service, had no massage knowledge or skills whatever and not interested, horrified at the request (not demand) for some oral attention, and revealed he had been there for several years.

And this is the venue recently in the news for drugs.

Shame, 5 years back this venue was focused and gave good service.

Here in CM I wonder if there are several more venues close to the same fate, all of which have established reputations for poor service and bullshit.

In some ways difficult to understand, CM is today quite a big city with a sizeable gay farang population and of course there must be a sizeable Thai gay population (and CM city is overall not a poor community) plus a regular stream of farang, asian, and Bkk Thai tourists. Surely there is enough business to support a number of gays venues: go go bars, massage, karaoke, etc?

Later comments re CM:

Report yesterday from friend who used to frequent River House exclusively; now hit and miss how many boys there when customer arrives, sometimes 7 or 8, sometimes one, but mamasan tells customer 'never mind', select from the photos and boy can be here in 10 minutes. I've experienced the same thing, several calls to the photo boys; 'too busy', 'not today tell customer to come back tomorrow', 'how much tip will the customer pay', etc. This venue now off friends list and my list.

Another new massage venue, 'Heaven' on Chaing Mai Land road, 2 or 3 minutes walk from 'Blue Club'. Friend says he's been twice, both times excellent service on all factors, and lots of hot and friendly boys. No other details yet.

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Indeed, Chiang Mai massage places are on the whole rubbish and bullshit. It seems His Club and Blues Club have a regular clientele of Thai people, who prefer straight boys, but those are not my cup of tea.

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