Oral Warts?

Specific200 · #1 10th October 2004, 03:19 AM

Have any of you gotten warts orally using GH's?

ScruffyCub · #2 10th October 2004, 05:03 PM

No, but that doesn't matter.

What matters is that you CAN get them this way.

Specific200 · #3 10th October 2004, 10:40 PM

What I am trying to establish is some sort of risk factor, or rather practical experience from others. Warts are nasty.

mascguybost · #4 11th October 2004, 02:04 AM

I usually get kind of flamed for my risk management posts, but in all the years I've been sexually active, I've never got oral warts. Although, Scruffy is right, it's definitely a risk, as are all other STD's while sucking cock.

Given your profile about being very discreet and all, I have to assume there's a loved one involved here and that's why you want to minimize your risks.

My philosophy is alwas play at your own risk and if you're worried about contracting something, use condoms for everything, even oral.

zodiac66 · #5 11th October 2004, 09:47 AM

And not to be obvious, but HPV is usually considered to be one of those gifts that keeps on giving.

Being viral in nature, it could hang with you for a LONG time. And when active, it is very contagious even when the only symptom is a teeny bump or two...

I think hat second only to HIV, HPV is a great reason to use condoms for anal. Treating anal HPV is a "pain in the butt", and I believe that internal anal warts can also be a precursor to colon cancer (I know this is the case with cancer in women).

ScruffyCub · #6 11th October 2004, 05:53 PM

I don't understand what you mean when you say you are trying to "establish a risk factor."

The risk factor is there. It exists. You can get HPV in this way, from sucking dick, from being sucked, from skin to skin contact, etc.

A penis coming through a gloryhole is no different than a penis anywhere else. This is why your question confuses me.

The answer, however, remains the same: yes, yes, yes... the risk is there.

As far as condoms are concerned... since HPV can be spread by skin to skin contact, condoms are not considered a complete defense against HPV. Some skin is generally still left exposed and contact is possible. That being said, condoms are still a very good idea if this is a concern for you. SOME protection is better than none at all.

And while I DO NOT support "odds theories" of potential risk when it comes to STDs, you should consider BOTH what is POSSIBLE and what is PROBABLE. Lots of men suck dick all the damn time and do not get HPV. But you might. Roll the dice, take your chances, all of that. You've heard it all before... I hope.

As for HPV and anal cancer in men... I have never heard of this, but I'd like to know the answer for sure. This IS true with women and cervical cancer, however. I think that we hear most often about women getting HPV from male partners and then having to deal with the risk of cervical cancer, and the emphasis on males needing to be considerate of the women in their lives if they are fucking around -- so this may overshadow any focus on anal warts in men.

If you come into contact with a dick that has warts, you may never know it. They can be so tiny that you cannot see them. The guy who HAS them may not even know it -- so once again, a gloryhole makes no difference. Yet you may come into contact with a dick that just has a mole or small skin tag or something on it, and get freaked out thinking the guy has warts when he does not. AGAIN... the gloryhole doesn't matter.

And finally, do understand that HPV IS forever, though symptoms are treatable and it's NO FUN at all to have this little problem, which tends to recur OFTEN enough to make life miserable during flare-ups.

mascguybost · #7 11th October 2004, 08:15 PM

Yeah, it's true Scruffy about anal warts and cancer. I know a couple of guys who have to get checked every six months to make sure there aren't any pre cancerous cells.

Weird, because HPV is such a problem for women, and men too, but it doesn't seem to get much press, at least from what I read.

Specific200 · #8 11th October 2004, 09:07 PM

No loved one. I just want to stay as clean as possible. Viruses are forever. I know many peple have warts, including females, and only a small portion have symptoms, but spread it just as well. I read somewhere that 1-5 sexually active females have warts. Rarely are warts seen or burst on the penis, for they like warm and wet places. But my friends (female) boyfreind gave them to her wihjtout any visible symptoms, except years before he said he saw one on his dick, picked it off, and never had a recurrance. I wonder how "fit" the virus is?

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Originally posted by mascguybost

Given your profile about being very discreet and all, I have to assume there's a loved one involved here and that's why you want to minimize your risks.

Specific200 · #9 11th October 2004, 09:09 PM

Indeed. If anyone ahs anal w/o a condom, w/o first knowing his partners sexual status--which includes a western blot test for herpes and warts, not to mention AIDS testing--then a condom is a necessary condition, I would think.

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Originally posted by zodiac66
And not to be obvious, but HPV is usually considered to be one of those gifts that keeps on giving.

Being viral in nature, it could hang with you for a LONG time. And when active, it is very contagious even when the only symptom is a teeny bump or two...

I think hat second only to HIV, HPV is a great reason to use condoms for anal. Treating anal HPV is a "pain in the butt", and I believe that internal anal warts can also be a precursor to colon cancer (I know this is the case with cancer in women).

Specific200 · #10 11th October 2004, 09:14 PM

The answer was to the question "Has anyone gotten warts orally at the hole?" No need to embelish it. You only state the obvious when you say that the risk is there. We all know that.

Condoms are not considered a "complete" defense against anything. Again you repeat the obvious.

Probability vs possibility, again the obvious.

Agreed, getting it and having flareups would suck.

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Originally posted by ScruffyCub
I don't understand what you mean when you say you are trying to "establish a risk factor."

The risk factor is there. It exists. You can get HPV in this way, from sucking dick, from being sucked, from skin to skin contact, etc.

A penis coming through a gloryhole is no different than a penis anywhere else. This is why your question confuses me.

The answer, however, remains the same: yes, yes, yes... the risk is there.

As far as condoms are concerned... since HPV can be spread by skin to skin contact, condoms are not considered a complete defense against HPV. Some skin is generally still left exposed and contact is possible. That being said, condoms are still a very good idea if this is a concern for you. SOME protection is better than none at all.

And while I DO NOT support "odds theories" of potential risk when it comes to STDs, you should consider BOTH what is POSSIBLE and what is PROBABLE. Lots of men suck dick all the damn time and do not get HPV. But you might. Roll the dice, take your chances, all of that. You've heard it all before... I hope.

As for HPV and anal cancer in men... I have never heard of this, but I'd like to know the answer for sure. This IS true with women and cervical cancer, however. I think that we hear most often about women getting HPV from male partners and then having to deal with the risk of cervical cancer, and the emphasis on males needing to be considerate of the women in their lives if they are fucking around -- so this may overshadow any focus on anal warts in men.

If you come into contact with a dick that has warts, you may never know it. They can be so tiny that you cannot see them. The guy who HAS them may not even know it -- so once again, a gloryhole makes no difference. Yet you may come into contact with a dick that just has a mole or small skin tag or something on it, and get freaked out thinking the guy has warts when he does not. AGAIN... the gloryhole doesn't matter.

And finally, do understand that HPV IS forever, though symptoms are treatable and it's NO FUN at all to have this little problem, which tends to recur OFTEN enough to make life miserable during flare-ups.

cutguy · #11 12th October 2004, 12:11 PM

All of the info in the above replies is correct. With the minor exception that condoms protect against transmitting warts to the rectal area. They do not.

And yes, I have seen oral warts. And they can be as pre-malignant in the mouth as they are on and inside the rectum.

Sorry about that..

Dr Danny

MnFredMD · #12 12th October 2004, 12:59 PM

Can anyone tell me why condoms are considered more effective in protecting against some STDs than others. In the post above, other than the obvious concern of breakage, why are condoms not considered adequate protection from warts? How does the virus spread other than direct contact? Weeping? Other?
Thanks

ScruffyCub · #13 12th October 2004, 06:30 PM

First, thanks Dr. Danny for confirming that info supplied by everyone here.

Second: Specific, you asked an EXTREMELY obvious question and then seem to gripe at me for giving you the EXTREMELY obvious answer? I don't get that, either.

Pun intended: you were NOT specific AT ALL with your question. If you already knew the answer -- then why did you even ask the question?

Dude... look, I'm not trying be nasty here, but if you ask a dumb question, you're going to get a dumb answer!

To me, I naturally assumed, as any logical person might, that because you asked if the risk was there, you wanted to know more. I confirmed for you that the risk was indeed there, and myself and many other guys gave you lots of additional information.

So I don't get why you'd complain about that which is OBVIOUS.

I AM, however, glad that this information is obvious to you. Knowing the facts can help you protect yourself... but I still don't know why you asked the question if you knew the answer.

Arrggghhh!

Finally, for Fred:

Since HPV can be transmitted from skin to skin contact, condoms are not adequate protection. As stated, however: they are better than nothing at all. Viruses like HIV are present in semen and pre-ejaculate fluid, and condoms are an effective barrier to that. HIV isn't spread from skin to skin contact. Additionally, not all STDs are viruses: many are bacterial. Something like syphilis is also spread from skin to skin contact as well as through semen, so condoms are not a complete protection from that, either. However, syphilis sores on the penis are a little bit LESS likely to spread further to skin not covered by a condom. Also, they are MUCH more visible than warts. Men who have syphilis sores on the penis would hopefully KNOW it. Also hopefully, they would NOT want to have sex at this time, both because of the risk of giving it to others and because sex with syphilis sores would simply be rather nasty. Not many guys are going to see a syphilitic penis and start chowing down on it, either.

The bottom line remains the same: condoms ARE good protection. They aren't 100% effective all the time, but they are WAY better than nothing at all.

And I sure hope that wasn't too obvious for you. I imagine you actually asked a question because you wanted to know the answer!