walked by a few days ago and noted what also told; in the house to the left of Solid is now TT-Pub and Disco. Opened-again- late last year. GoGo till 1.00-then disco. Drinks 150 bt-was promised to be a special @ bt100 when I talked to the flirtatious but belly-fat tout outside. I have had so much of gogo that they could not even persuade me to take the usual ''free look''. They have a big ad in the Variety ads-mag, it says they do 2 for 1 priced whiskey-sets.

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Do they REALLY have go-go dancers, I wonder? Next time I walk by that soi I'll have to drop in for that free peek. And of course, there is "no cover charge" ...

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Other point: I read here and in other fora that it now seems the custom to tip boys for sitting with you-extra to the moreorless obligatory drink you have to buy them. Even 100-200 bt is mentioned for that. Is this serious? I have hardly been inside a bar since 2000-and the few last ventures were not promising either (overloud music, smoke, no exciting go-go) and always assumed that drink was it. Normal hourly wages for those lads are like 24/25 bt/hr-make that 30 as generous and for easy computing. OK- I know there are more sleezy bars where you can sit a bit discreet and do more as talk and inspect the wares of offer-is this implied then? From that distant past I really cannot recall any hint or expectation in that direction. Like if you go in a shop/stall and inspect the wares and then decide they dont have what you want-would you pay for that? Many of those vendors also only do 3-4 sales/day and sit in the blazing sun all day for that.

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They are not wares and they are not the shopkeepers.

If you want to inspect, they're up on the stage for you to see. No charge. If you don't want any, then leave. No charge except for the obligatory drink ... which you have to pay for even if your never raise the glass.

If you're really that much of a kee nieow, then give the guy B100 and don't buy him a drink, which he doesn't really want anyway. You're using his time for your pleasure and you're keeping him from getting a possible off from someone else.

And, the tradition of giving someone a cash tip if you have him sit with you for awhile but don't off him goes back long before 2000.

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what is the correct etiquette

you have a boy sit with u, u buy him drinks and do some groping. suddenly he recognize a "rich" customer from past so he left you for the whale.

u get another boy, buy drinks etc. when u leave u give tip to the second boy, but should u also tip the first one? note that he is still with the rich customer.

i'am not sure if it might insult the whale that someone else is giving his boy tips - and might lessen the chance of the boy for the off he was originally hoping for.

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First, you're under no obligation to buy a drink for the boy. Personally, I'd rather tip him than buy an overpriced drink from which he gets only 20 or 30 baht of the price. He would, too (though the mamasan may not -- but who cares).

Second, if a boy abandons you to go sit with someone else, I would not tip him at all.

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Just got back from BKK. Thought I'd give my two cents worth.
I don't usually off boys so I can't comment on how much the fine is or whether it is difficult to get the boys you want.
I mostly go to ogle at the boys on offer as well as to enjoy the shows.

Jupiter
Good selection of boys. Lookswise pretty good quality.
In my opinion, quite a few seemed a bit too intimidating to off (diva-ish attitude). But that being said, by the end of the show, most of them were offed.
Show was by far one of the better ones I've seen but hardly any "exposure" until pretty much the last set and Big C**k Show. Definitely no F****** show.
But the songs, choreography and dance items were definitely of a high standard.
Also, this is the first place I've been to that had a very pretty Katoey lead singer. The other places I've been to have damn ugly ones with grotesque make-up or those who super-overact. Am not particularly keen on ladybois but at least this one was good.
No smoking ban strictly adhered to. Drink 250Bh paid at entrance in exchange for drink coupon.
Pretty good experience although I would have like to see a bit more 'appendages' especially of some of the cuter bois

Hotmale
Large selection of boys ranging from twink to mature (just plain old to me), slim to defined to muscled and fair to dark.
However to me, even with such a large selection, lookswise there were a only a tiny handful which i thought even worthy of being offed. The three best ones I thought turned out to be from Laos (as one of my mamasan frens informed me) but all "boy" not "gay".
As for the show, it wasn't too bad actually. Quality of the items weren't as great as Jupiter but definitely waaaay more exposure. Apart from the first item, all other items had appendages in full glory. F****** show at the end with the pair going around in the audience to get some tips.
No smoking ban largely ignored.
Drinks 220Bh.
I would recommend the place.

Dreamboys
My own opinion - worst of the lot that I went to.
I can't comment much on the quality of boys cos I went in just in time for the show but from what I saw I guess it wasn't too bad but no stunners.
The show was horrendous. Almost every item was a ladyboi performance. And these were the typical over-done up, hysterical, supposedly funny types. It was over Chinese New Year so all had a chinese theme to it so maybe it was a special show for the event.
But still, I didnt go to a go-go bar to see 'ladies'. I wanted to see the guys but unfortunately there was very little of that. There was a B** C**** Show but none of the guys on display whetted my appetite. The F****** show had ugly tops and bottoms.
Guess this was a disappointment for me so I won't consider going there again for a long time.
But then, maybe it's just my tastes so others may find it a better experience.
No smoking ban adhered to.
Drinks 250bh.

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That is a matter of opinion. Since you are paying for both their time and their services I agree that a small tip for time spent that doesn't result in services is appropriate. However a gogo boy is no different to a consultant or a teacher or an engineer or anyone else in a service industry; they sell their services, whether you want to call them "wares" or something else. The online dictionaries describe "wares" as "An immaterial asset or benefit, such as a service or personal accomplishment, regarded as an article of commerce". I can't think of a better description of a gogo boy's activities.

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Icon, you're such a cheap bastard! Like me.... :P

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Who told you that? Most bars only pay a 30 - 50 bt turn up fee, and a feed of rice. Then the boy is on his own. As far as tipping a boy who waltzes off to another patron., NO WAY should he get a tip. In one of my more memorable dummy spits a boy did that to me when I went to the hong naam after only a couple of sips of the 200bt drink I'd bought for him. I politely asked the mamasan to ask the boy to return, and when he ignored me I told him where to stick his boy's drink, left 200bt for mine and walked out (Classic Boys.)

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-- Agreed 100%., that's for sure.
- If the boi whom one has chosen to join one decides, on his own initiative, to leave one and to go and join someone else then why give him a TIP.?
- However, if one tells the boi that he may go - and unless he'd been a complete dud - then possibly a TIP. would be in order: it all depends. It's often fraught to generalise, but laying-out 100.bh. for goodwill doesn't seem to me to be too great an hardship - even in these straited times when the GBP. is LESS than THB.50.oo..
-- Bibi. --

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Spoken like a true sex tourist.

You seem to wobble back & forth between the boys and their activities. They may provide a service, which could be described as a ware, but they are not wares. I can understand your desire to dehumanize them so that you can make some futile attempt to think you are somehow better than they are. You're not.

If that were true, then they would be entitled to contractual agreements, fees for time spent in consultancy, negotiated pay and not subject to being called over by some two-bit shop clerk on his first holiday in five years who thinks he's in some way superior to the person he's summoning.

In this case of course it has little to do with what the boy is entitled to or what the customer is obliged to do. It's mostly an issue of how pompous and cheap the sex tourist is.

Assuming you regard the boy as someone due a certain amount of respect, the same respect you would accord anyone with whom you might do "business," then calling him over to sit with you should result in the offer of a drink and/or a tip for his time, out of courtesy, especially if he spends some time with you without being offed. But then this again reflects on the background of the "customer" more than any obligation to compensate him for his time.

I realize there are people whose concept of self is so tenuous that they have to bolster if by debasing people they would love to think of as inferior to themselves and that this cavalier treatment of gogo boys serves to feed their starving egos, but it is they who demonstrate their poor upbringing and lower social standing in the process.

These "boys" are human beings, not things. You are visiting these bars looking for sex. That means you are doing something most people would consider sleazy. You are not one of the lesser royals seeking to engage a scullery maid. If you have any genuine self-respect acquired through a proper upbringing, you'll treat everyone with whom you deal... whether shop clerks, taxi drivers, gogo boys, waiters ... with respect as a reflection of who you are, and not in an attempt to pretend you're queen for a day bestowing trinkets on your grateful, groveling subjects.

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How truly fabulous!

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For those of you who have been patrons of Solid (and previously Tomahawk) who wonder what happened to Khun Lek (he of the oversized jacket,) I've found him !

After a stint in Chiang Mai he is now a mamasan at a host / massage bar in Jomtien (Pattaya). It's the single shop front adjoining Dicks Cafe and between Dicks and Duo House. Sporting a casual jumper (no jacket) he looks much younger and happier, and has a dozen typical Isaan boys on offer.

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Visited the bar around the corner from Solid last night (the one up the steps). Not been there for ages and found it is even more sleazy than ever. Found none of the boys attractive, mamasan pushy, and am sure I must have walked out with bugs on my clothes.

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