29 dec., from 20.hrs. - X BOYS - Mr. Xmas. of Boyz contest.;
- addr.: Soi Twilight - off Suriwong rd.;
- tel.: (086)-624 4231.;
- source: fliers.
-- Usual disclaimer. -- Bibi.. --

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On a related Soi 4 subject, I would like to warn people of a certain waiter working at Balcony named Nat. While *extremely* friendly, he likes to borrow a lot of money from customers. Money which is of course never repaid.

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I cannot imagine why anyone would wish to lend any money to a waiter - let alone a lot of it! That's surely naive in the extreme, unless they specifically wish to make a donation for the mother's hospital costs or father's new water buffalo. Is it any surprise the cash disappears?

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Yeah well, I never trust gogo bar boys and massage boys... But since Balcony isn't a sex place, I assumed things would be a little different.. Also, the guy pretended to be my boyfriend for three weeks and that we would live happily ever after, that is until I found out he's running some kind of freelance moneyboy business with Balcony customers...

I lent him 6500bht... It's not an awful lot of money but it is for him, and it is for me at the moment...

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Obnoxious: If I was you I would see it as an - expensive - lesson but forget about it as quickly as possible. Besides it could have come worse. There is a proverb (Vietnamese origin) which suits this situation: The thief has gone , but I am still alive (0r:not hurt)

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In my experiences with Thai boys, there is no such things as a "loan." I consider any money I give them to be a gift; never with the expectation that the money will be returned. And it never is!

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-- I take that viewpoint too; although once - and once only - I was repaid:
- I lent Khun KOB - Mngr. of BAAN TEWA MASSAGE PARLOR* - 20K.Bh. to help him set-up an account with a local bank.
- The full amt. was repaid to me, on time and without any reminders.
--* 135/8, Tnn. Sathorn Tai, soi 7/1.;
--- loc'n.: behind SGP. Embassy;
--- BTS.: Chong Nonsi, (S3.),;
--- tel.: (02)-679 0816.;
--- web: Welcom To BaanTewa ..-.._.-* House of Angels
-- Usual disclaimer. -- Bibi.. -

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Absolutely true! I have willingly lent guys who have never been near the bar scene small amounts for genuine expenses and been promised faithfully they'd be repaid by a certain date. I have never had a satang back. In one case, someone who had been a friend for more than a year, who had a full time job and had travelled with me for long week-ends to several places including Singapore, just disappeared after getting a small loan to pay a rent deposit. What made it worse at the time was his sister was with him when he made the request.

Another Asian proverb: "Never lend money to a friend. You will lose both the money and the friend."

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My motto is never lend more money than you can afford to lose.

Even if the person is your best friend, put the loan terms in writing with both parties and a witness signing it. That is what I did when I was hurting for money many years ago and had to borrow from a friend. I did not want to ruin the friendship, so it was I who insisted on a legal business transaction in writing.

Back to the subject of loaning money to "boys". Twice in my 6 years of living here have I been approached to loan money AND I honored the requests.....one I only loaned a few thousand....less than what was requested in order to test the waters.....all was repaid....but a week late. The other, I had become really good friends with and since he had just completed weekend high school, I gave him the money instead as a graduation gift......he is now in university and out of the bar business.....so proud of him.

All other requests, I have politely turned down.

The point to this rambling message......don't paint all the boys with one negative stroke.....each and every situation is different....trust your own instincts, but also be careful.

As an aside, this does not only apply to Thai boys, a good farang friend (yes, we are still friends believe it or not) still owes me a sizeable chunk of money from a few years ago (high 5 digits...in baht). I doubt I will ever see it, but this was one of the few times I did not put it in writing.....the optimist in me knows I will eventually get it back.....but I just do not know when it will be.

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[quote=Gaijin;667007]My motto is never lend more money than you can afford to lose.

"As an aside, this does not only apply to Thai boys,..."

Absolutley. I think it's an asian thing... I'm still waiting for $2,000 I lent to a Korean boy who had a genuine emergency and no one to turn to ... promised faithfully to repay, even emailed me from Korea asking for account details to EFT "next month"... never arrived.

Small loans to Thai boys also not repaid.. I usually ask once, and typically get look of surprise that a farang did not realise "loan" is synonomous with "gift" in their eyes.. and you would never ask for a gift to be returned , would you??

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I think it's a money boy thing. I've encountered it all over the world.
You think that because you don't understand Thai culture. "Patron" or "Big Man" is a well-established role in Thai society. We are all patrons because that's the best or maybe the only role an outsider (a non-Thai) can have in Thai society. Go and read something basic on Thai culture and have your eyes opened.

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-- Once, in the Philippines, I did just that for a Filippina to help start-up her own small business, (her Scots husband - who was working in KSA. at that time - and I were, and still are, good friends.),. Our Agreement was drawn-up by an Fils'. atty., signed, witnessed and notarised.
- I'm still waiting. I fear lest that she may well know that the Fils'. legal system can be drawn-out, and even if judgement were to be given in my favor my legal costs would not be inconsiderable and she would have no money to repay me - even if she went to prison I'd still be the financial loser.
-- Moral - 'Neither a Lender nor a Borrower be.'.
-- Bibi.. --

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-- Y'day., (02nd.), evening my Mature And American Friend and his female companion went to X-SIZE A GO-GO BAR in Soi Twilight - off Suriwong rd..
- As he is OFF-Line pro tem. he authorised me to report on his behalf:
- ETA.: approx. 21.30hrs.;
- drinks: 250.Bh.;
- maybe a couple or three customers initially, but soon a 'busload. of JP. female tourists stayed for just a few mins..
- My MAAF. and his companion did not stay long as so many of the staff were smoking ciggies. - phew:

-- Then they looked-in at HOTMALE, negociating the new stairway, wch. - I was told - has uneven risers and no banister rails: so take care, especially if descending after a few drinks! But they decided not to stay.
- This forenoon, (03rd.), I passed-by and saw work-persons instaling metal edging to the treads and it looked as though lines for the stair-rails had been marked-out on the walls?
-- Bibi.. --

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X-size, I have always found, is perennially in terminal decline... yet does not cease operations. There's some business secret they know that I don't.

Hotmale appears to have taken the lease on an adjacent unit on the same floor and are expanding (?). I'm happy for them that business is good enough to expand... but embarking on construction work in the middle of the high season isn't the smartest thing to do.

The first thing they seem to have done was to move the pissoirs over to the new unit. Just the urinal bowls... no walls, nothing. So there I was taking a pee in a large room strewn with tools and sawdust with workmen going about their business.

Somehow, it was a small thrill.

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Ummm. This Is Thailand?!

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