Finding the perfect erotic massage with just a hand job is a crap shoot, at best. Virtually ALL of the guys at most places will be happy to give you a hand, and MOST of them will be thankful to you if they don't have to get naked or you don't ask them to mount you like a palamino. So, the hand job is fairly easy.

It's the "good" massage before the hand job that's tricky. I've been repeat business for massage guys who were stellar the first time I was there who turned out to be terrible thereafter.

So, unfortunately, it's a "pig-and-a-poke" to find a masseur that suits your fancy. Once you do, hang on to him. Get his mobile phone number and give him yours (if you're so inclined). Often-times, these guys move around a lot and it can be difficult to keep up with them.

(Also, let me mention that I think you did the exact right thing by establishing that a hand job is only worth THB 1,000. Set the ground rules early and don't stray from them. Stick to your guns. These guys have got more stories than Carter has liver pills. Don't believe them. If a hand job is worth THB 1,000 that's it.....full stop!)

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Not sure what some people are out for ... good times or domination. Seems the tough guy approach isn't always a great success.

but wait ...

and this approach resulted in

Surprise, surprise.

Some people seem less interested in having a good time with a boy and/or having a great massage than they are in playing tough guy.

As opposed to: As opposed to: Whereas some techniques just don't seem to be very productive...

And confusingly from the same poster:

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Clearly, you've never been to Thailand.

Welcome to the board. Stick around. You'll learn the meaning of "the more things change, the more they stay the same".

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I was at Hero on saturday. I gave bht1500 tip... no complaints from my masseur. Had a good fucking time with him too. The last time I was there was about 4months ago and was pleasantly surprised with the newly renovated shower area in the rooms.
Someone complained about the mamasans' atitude but I noticed that most customers got their attention when I was there. Business as usual very good.... many asian clients as well as a few farangs.

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As of late last year I found Hero to be of a continuing pleasing standard for mamasan,choice and attitude.I'd be surprised if it was downhill over three months.

Overtipping spoils it for the rest of us but 2000bht for a special guy can't hurt.

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I'll be back in BKK shortly......never been to Hero.....would you guys recommend it for me, (into twinky 20 -25 y/o 55- 60 kg smooth btm boys) who can actually massage and enjoy sex...or another venue?

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While there are some boys as you describe as Hero, I think they are far outnumbered by sportier, mostly straight types (many of whom may endure being topped, but not enthusiastically). My personal recommendation for bottom twinks would be Aqua, or perhaps Body Club or Banana Club.

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Have called Thailand home for going on eleven years now.

Went to Hero on Wednesday and had a great time with J___. Tipped him 3000 Baht. He was well worth it and when I go back, I doubt the Mamasan will tell me, "No boy for you tonight." Hell, when it was clear I wasn't going to manage a happy ending despite his best efforts and I told him "mai bpen rai," he announced he would smoke me, which is not something I requested nor would expect. Because of that and the fantastic two hours that preceded it, he deserved a good deal more than Baht 3000, but I'm not authorized to hand out the croix de guerre decoration, no matter how deserving the recipient.

Also took a boy off from one of the bars on the (supposedly) dreaded Soi Twilight Wednesday. I took him off for two nights, but he stayed with me at home for three days & nights and was tipped 15,000 Baht. He then asked to stay until at least Monday, but he made a point of saying he didn't want any more money. He's lying naked on the sofa watching some Vin Diesel movie now and looking good enough to eat.

It's not just the money, since they don't know how much they're getting until we're ready to part company, and I can guarantee you it's not my sexual aura. I'm over 60 and not fat by farang standards, but hardly "fighting fit." And, these are not isolated incidents. In all these years there have been very few disappointments, and those amounted to nothing when compared to all the wonderful boys I've spent time with and the great experiences I've had with them.

I treat the boys like they're a joy to be with (which they usually are) and that they are not one-use, disposable toys. Considering all the bitching by some people on this message board about the boys and their alleged poor attitudes, I just have to believe it's they who are fed up with the attitudes of some farang. Actually that works to my advantage since the boys I encounter in the bars and massage parlours apparently are so relieved I'm not another farang who thinks he can walk on water, that I reap the rewards. I hope my reasonable tipping standards do inflate expectations and price some people out of the market.

What goes around cums around.

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I love someone with a vivid imagination.

Keep posting. Your posts are funny to read.

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I concur. Vivid imagination and great sex style.Encore.

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-- Well, you're certainly a generous person, that's 100%. for sure.
- You mentioned that you doubted if the Mamasan would say 'No.' to you were you to return for further svces. at that particular parlour; are there any thoughts that the M'san. collects a commission on TIPS. to the masseurs?
-- bibi.. --

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"Also took a boy off from one of the bars on the (supposedly) dreaded Soi Twilight Wednesday. I took him off for two nights, but he stayed with me at home for three days & nights and was tipped 15,000 Baht. He then asked to stay until at least Monday, but he made a point of saying he didn't want any more money. He's lying naked on the sofa watching some Vin Diesel movie now and looking good enough to eat."

As the average Thai worker takes home around Bht 8,000 per month, I'm not surprised he was happy to stay for a week after a Bht 15,000 tip....plus I guess all meals found! .....that apart I do agree with your sentiments on treating boys with respect, as individuals. Every one of my 200+ boys has been different in personality and sexually, which is one of the pleasures and indeed privileges of being allowed by them to enjoy great intimacy with such tasty morsels. Sanook maak maak!

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An average worker in my country takes home about 4,000 USD a month. For twice that amount I am sure I would endure three nights with any old fart.

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Seems to be a hint of criticism of the negative comments re Soi Twilight boys. And i have contributed to that criticism, and my comments still stand.

Perhaps the positive experiences don't get enough 'airplay' and i guess that's an unfortunate side of human beings at large.

Yes I have had some very positive experiences and today I have several very close very genuine Thai friends who I met many years ago when they worked in bars. And I have several farang friends who have lived here in Thailand for many years, in loving caring equal monogamous relationships with young men they met in bars.

There's also the other side of the coin that we all need to remember. I've mentioned before that my old Thai friend who published a Thai gay magazine for many years shared many stories with me about bar boys being cheated (boy stays all night, perhaps a couple of days and nights, then "sorry, I've run out of cash, I'll come back to your bar tomorow evening with some money - never seen again") (customer avoids paying tip then disappears then possibly tells his friends "but I took him to the movies, and I bought him new jeans and I took him to the Oriental for dinner, and now he expects money as well"), pushed hard to take drugs, promised the world, left with hotel bills etc., by farang (and other Asians).

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Exactly the reason why Turning Point collects the minimum tip in advance from people they don't know. It happens more often than you'd think.

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