Exactly correct.

These days, it is mostly a place for the elderly and those attracted to them.

That's why it offers nothing of interest to me.

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I'm 49 but look younger. How old are you? If you're young and able to connect in other saunas, then I'm wrong when I say they seem like "sticky rice." But I still feel like it's hard for any farang over about 35 to connect in any sauna other than Babylon. If you look around you in these other saunas, almost all the Thai are under 30, and they're very picky. They just go in with other hot young Thai--and only after a lot of parading. I don't see why they would want to go in with a farang unless he is also hot, young, and attractive (after parading around forever).

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I'm in my mid-forties. I can usually connect if I'm polite (and patient). If I don't, it's not really a big deal. Anything is preferable to Babylonas far as I'm concerned.
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-- All too often in BABYLON SAUNA it's been a source of wonder to me how the plumper & maturer farang manages to attract some Thai young men;
- I comfort myself by muttering: 'Full belly = full rice bowl = full wallet.", but that might be doing all parties an injustice.

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I can very much appreciate the sexual preference for younger guys (I'm 51, almost 52). But what I've never understood, monitoring things here at CFS, is why one must feel the need to praise one group at the expense of another. Love your young guys, but why put down the older men? It is not necessary to make your point or express your personal desires. It is hurtful and ultimately, if you live long enough, you're putting yourself down. It isn't healthy for any of us to obsess so much on age. It is what it is. Live with it, literally.

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For the record, I was expressing a dislike for Babylon and stating the reason why. I have nothing against old dudes, I just don't want to be in a sauna where they are in the majority (just quite yet). There are over 20 saunas in Bangkok now, so happily there is a place for all tastes.

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It’s bit like "I have nothing against gays, as long as they stay away from me."

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Not wanting to appear like I'm ganging up on you, Mr. Icon, but for the vast majority of gay men I've ever encountered who were on the younger end of the age spectrum, mid-forties, your stated age, is beyond over the hill. These men look at you and see the old in you that you don't see, just as you look at those much older men and perhaps you see old in them they do not see. At least on this side of the ocean, old/troll/ancient begins at about age 35.

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... and that's why we prefer this side of the planet ! I didnt have any gay experience until I was over 35, when I was seduced by a 17 y.o. in Singapore. Since then (around 20 years of cruising) I've logged over 500 guys, non over 30 & (with the exception of Thailand) without any form of payment. (I'm talking Asian guys in Singapore, Malaysia, HK, PRC, Indonesia, Japan, India, Australia - even Canada with hot Viet boys in Montreal and Vancouver... ) Whereas the western world revels in youth culture, most of the guys I go with see maturity (physical, intellectual and sexual) as a huge advantage over their peers who just want to "blow and go". Age is respected and revered in the orient -thank goodness !

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biggles69, I've discussed this some with a Chinese-American gay friend -- the fact that it seems many white, gay men in the West are drawn to Asian guys and also seemingly these white guys are more appreciated by the Asian men. He is uncomfortable with this whole 'arrangement' because he feels the white guys would not be into Asian men were it not for the fact that more often than not, young white guys are not nearly as attracted to these older white guys, while younger Asian men appear to be very much into older white guys.

I say attraction is attraction and ethnic and racial issues should not be a big deal when it comes to whom I sleep with. Leave your PC policing at the door of the baths, in other words. But for whatever reason, it makes him uncomfortable whenever he meets an older, and often rather rotund, white guy traipsing around with some really hot, normally very young and beautiful Asian man. Maybe he is just jealous? I don't know, honestly. It is a complexity that deserves some serious academic study in my opinion.

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I am an older farang and in my experience young western gays, particularly from the US and Australia, do have an issue with partnering with older men. Fortunately for me I have kept fit and slim and look years younger than my true age and have little difficulty in attracting younger partners, although I now prefer asians, especially Thai's, who do not seem to discriminate based on age, although, like most of us, prefer good looking, fit and trim men. I also think that younger, age conscious western gays tend to be vacuous and not all that good in bed despite their youth.

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For me its always been about a magnetic attraction I have to smooth, slim build Asian guys with high cheek bones and almond "come to bed" eyes. Age has never been an issue for me in my many short (and long ) term relationships and as long as I can pull the guys - I'll keep going

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So, if you abhor discrimination based on age...why are you so fixated on attracting younger guys? Do you discriminate against guys your own age?

See...that's the thing. Most of the older guys who bitch and mroan against "age discrimination" are themselves fixated on younger guys. You don't see them trying to cruise guys their own age, do you? Pot, meet the kettle.

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This is such an old-fashioned point of view. asians are not anymore attracted to 'older' men than caucasians. in bkk, this so glaringly obvious that one has to be blind (or stay put on the second floor of DJ) not to notice it. u don't need to go very far to see it, just cross Silom Rd and enter Sauna Mania to experience 'asian love for older white guys'. to kill the suspense: u'll find little love. during my last visit to bkk, i saw visibly aged guys cruising saunas, cinemas, etc, with very little success. they're just not in demand.

A relevant anecdote from Taipei: in a gay gym, having been approached by twinky young local boys and trying to get rid of them, i told them to approach another white guy (the only other white guy in that place at that time). in response, i heard 'oh no, he's too old'. the guy was maybe in his mid-to-late 30s and wasn't fat or balding or graying or hairy.

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Also, if you read Thai, just have a look at any of the local personals sites.

"No fatties, no sissies, no oldies" is a familiar refrain.

That said, you can find fetishists who specialize in anything. Those that specialize in old and white hang out at Babylon.
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