MESSAGE FOR FIRECAT
Did you by any chance also visit Adams Apple? If so, would appreciate your comments. Thanks.

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I did visit it but not my cup of tea. Boys were bigger and older. Not Tawan size but in between swimmer gymnast body and Tawan.

More nudity and probably some x rated but did not stay long enough. Although it is very modern and clean looking, i found all the types of seating uncomfortable. Seating is designed to jam the most number of people into the space. I was there on a Wednesday and it was very very slow. I tried all 3 types of seating and found them all uncomfortable. My boy from Bangkok agreed with me.

That said I am sure it has a wide audience and I understand it is jammed on weekends.

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I do not want to insult anybody but at times I get tired of people who compare the jobs and the tips of a barboy with a "real job" and the salary a boy can earn there. Just think back a few decades and picture yourself on a stage , wearing nothing but white briefs and some old guys staring at you, maybe making obscene gestures and remarks. What would have been your "price" then for accompanying a customer to his room where you have to offer the service we all know, compared to the "average income" of an unskilled worker then. I think giving just 500 B is insulting. Ok, just my opinion.

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It's nice to see you and a few others making these and similar comments.

The same applies to those of us who also have a long term friend who depends on us to some extent for economic support. If one spends all his time trying to figure out the least amount he can give his friend, using a 7/Eleven clerk as the standard and if he is constantly worrying that the young man is plotting to extract more from him, what's the point of even maintaining such a "relationship?"

For the bar boys, especially in Bangkok, I think B2000 should be an absolute minimum unless they have some really bad attitude . Aside from giving him a reasonable amount for the work he is doing, it can also be self-serving. If you off the same boy several times and he gets to know you and to know you'll treat him fairly, almost always you'll be the beneficiary. If he's happy he'll want to make sure you're happy too. Paying a reasonable amount doesn't make the boys greedy, but treating them badly and paying something ridiculous like B500 or even B1000 will certainly make them cynical, suspicious and far less likely to want to make an effort to please.

Over the past ten years the tipping amounts discussed on message boards seem barely to have changed. Think about what you paid for things or for services ten years ago compared to now. The tips ought to have increased over that time at least at the same rate.

And, if someone has a long term friend who he claims to love or at least care about, money will cease to be an issue between you if you make sure he has enough to be comfortable and he feels free to ask if there is some special need. My friend always makes me happy (and I don't mean just sex) so I want him to be happy too, and not just as happy as a 7/Eleven clerk.

Anyway, it's nice to see that many people have such a generous attitude and are willing to speak up.

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I think these Thai guys see us coming. They're looking to make as much as they can. I've tried being nice and generous--only to be taken advantage of with more pushy greed. That's one reason I don't feel comfortable paying top price (no haggle)--because that really sets them off to take advantage. I also avoid ones who think they're cute (but I've also had bad experiences with unattractive ones). I always thought that if they're slightly ugly, they're more humble and grateful. But the slightly ugly ones turned out to be the most demanding--only to be dumped as soon as possible.

Here is what someone posted on another string--

WARNING "Game" on GayRomeo.

I have seen this 21 y.o. boy, (named Game,) regularly for about 6 months. Not the prettiest of faces but a huge shaved appendage and pretty insatiable sex drive and enthousiastic performer. I always rewarded him with 1,000bt plus taxi for an hour or 2 session, he never stayed overnight and always accepted the tip with a smile. Then last week, for no apparent reason, he not only stole my Blackberry, but after selling it asked for a lot of money to sell me back my sim card which he had extracted pre-sale. This is the first time in nearly 20 years I've ever had anything stolen,

He uses 2 handles on GayRomeo "c_boy" and "sexi_lovely_boy"

You have been warned !

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Thanks Firecat.

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...re your exchange with Wantasian.

Irrespective of sex, whenever I travel abroad and meet the less fortunate part of humanity (at least in terms of relative wealth), I refrain from haggling. It's my way to contribute to the redistribution of global wealth, from the 1st world usually to the 3rd.

2000 bht is c $70. Where on earth can you get anyone to service you 24 hours for that amount of money?!

The sexual part just reinforces my case. I don't know about Wantasian, but I wouldn't do what these boys do even for 2,000,000,000,000,000......bht.

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I agree with you completely.

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I should have kept my mouth shut because I really don't know anything about bar boys. But do you really get your money's worth? I've heard that MOST of the time, it just ends up being a rip-off (you don't get what you expect). That's the main reason I've never offed anyone. I've sat there and looked at the boys and all I could think was, "They all look like they'll say anything to get you to agree to a price, and then will hardly do anything." Maybe if you find a really good one, it might be worth 2000 baht instead of wasting the whole evening hoping to find someone. The problem is how do you know if you're just going to waste 2000 baht? I would expect someone masculine, who really gets into it, kisses, and really tries to cum and cum and please me, too.

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I always quiz the Mamasan about the models before I choose one to sit with me for a drink. This is to clarify if they are really gay, top or bottom, etc. Then I get to know the chosen model/s to verify again. Sometimes the mamasan lies, but the models rarely do probably because they know I will find out later and this will affect the tip. However, I have had a few duds in which case I pay a minimum tip. After a while you learn how to be more discerning about which bars to go to and even which models to choose. And you can come to this blog to gain from other people's experiences.

Most of the time I certainly get my money's worth

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