some people think going with some stranger to an undetermined place is a bait for a mugging or a hold up.

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I don't think that I was being uncivilized when I replied to wantasians post that " it looks like you are mentally diseased", if one were to by the tone and style of his posts. However, as the Cruisemaster, you may delete what you think is offensive. Only do not be partisan, condoning some people selectively.

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Everyone, including working guys, has the right to determine what level of risk they are comfortable with in any sexual encounter. A person's decision with respect to what he finds necessary to protect himself should ALWAYS be respected.

A massage guy has the absolute right to protect his health by asking a customer to wear a condom before engaging in oral sex. How dare a customer complain about it. It just blows my mind.

The whole idea that "you are a whore, so you should blow me bareback because that's what I'm paying for" is disgusting and shameful. Some people just don't respect others at all.

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Awful lot of people getting upset over this and I don't see why.
Of course it is up to each individual to determine what he considers safe.

It is also up to the customer if he wishes to engage in oral sex with a Condom. If he does not it is his right to just have the massage and tip accordingly.

I don't expect the masseur to tell me what kind of Sex I want and I don't expect to tell the masseur to do something he does not want to do. If I get a straight masseur and he doesn't want to Bottom, I don't expect him to tell me he wants to Top so he gets tipped for sex.

We agree their is no sex and his tip is based on strictly a massage.

Many times I have picked someone that was not really interested in Sex but just a HJ. I am not the least bit interested in a Hand Job so I tip a fair amount for the massage and their is no SEX.

My choice just like the Masseur makes his choice!!!!

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Bottom line is that there should be NO expectation of ANYONE to do ANYTHING in particular unless it is AGREED IN ADVANCE.

If having a bareback bj is important to you, you must establish in advance that the masseur is prepared to do that.

If it is not established in advance, the masseur will not appreciate your cutting his tip because you expected him to do something he was not prepared to do and didn't promise to do.

Just because a guy works in a massage parlor or a bar does NOT mean he is going to be prepared to do anything and everything you want. He is not your sex slave for the cost of an off or massage.

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I could not agree more.

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Nobody is talking about sex slavery. I'm actually a very nice guy. But I've had a few non-massage encounters where a guy will say, "oh, yea, I do that" and then they don't really do it. I proceed to pay what I said I would, but I hate it afterward, and don't ever go with that guy again. Maybe that's the reason I jumped in here on this condom issue. I'll bet if it actually happened to the posters who are so outraged by my comments, they might be a little steamed afterward, too. It's the whole context of how it happens that can really turn someone off. If almost everyone gives head without a condom (I've almost never had anyone do the condom routine), what are we supposed to do?--Ask everyone the follow-up question, "And no condom, right?" And I agree that the hand-job thing is a total turn-off, too.

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Your reply is ridiculous. First of all many and my self included sometimes just want a good massage by a handsome boy. There is no reason to ask what he does or even any reason to believe what he says he will or will not do.

I tip one amount for massage only and the tip goes up if i ask and receive or accept sexual favors. And that tip will vary with just how good the sex was. My decision not yours or his or the mamasans.

Now I have never had anyone get mad at the tip so I guess it works for me.

And by the way this thread has gotten nasty over something so ridiculous as using a condom for a blow job.

I would be surprised if that happens 1% of the time anywhere in Thailand Lady or Boy.

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If he PROMISED to suck you bareback and he DIDN'T, you have a case.

If he made NO SUCH PROMISE, and you simply expected he would, you were way out of line.

I don't even take it for granted that a massage boy will suck me at all -- condom or no condom -- unless I specifically ask in advance.

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There was a lovely masseur at the Ambassador Hotel Fitness Centre with whom I enjoyed many an erotic hour. For over a period of a few months, on a weekly basis, I tried to gently coax him to suck my cock. It was always a playful coaxing. He always laughed but never did it. One day, after having been acquainted for about six months, he decided, without request, that he would lick my shaft. Progress! I complimented him effusively on his shaft licking skills. A few weeks later, he included the head of my cock into his licking regime - but was careful not to take all of my manhood into his mouth. Again, excited compliments from me for an excellent and very เสียว experience. You can see where this is going. It's now been a year since we first met. Last week I had him over to my apartment for a light supper and then an hour of fun. Forget the massage. At one stage he was standing over me as I had my tongue buried deep inside his gorgeous, straight manhole. A little later, he was naked on all fours in front of me giving me (with gusto) one of the best blow jobs I have ever had. An hour or so after that he was back with his girlfriend.

Sometimes things worth waiting for take time and gentle encouragement. If a massage guy wanted to use a condom on me I would not have a problem. But I would consider it a personal challenge to see what I could do on future meetings using my charm and good humor. Be respectful, fun, and most of all just enjoy your masseur's company. If he is a keeper, and you understand how Thai people tick, with a bit of patience and encouragement you'll soon have him on his knees going at it like pig in a tatty.

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I've made a quick look-see through some of search-engine Google's replies to 'HIV. - risk from oral sex.';
- Even approx. figures seem to be largely conjectural, but the risk percentage would appear to lie between 0.04.-0.07.%.;
- So, yes, there appears to be a fairly LOW level risk - but people should have the right to request the protection they deem necessary for the event.

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That's 4 to 7 people in 10,000 !

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Since I'm the one who started this thread, I'd like to clarify three points:
1) I neither complained nor criticized the boy or the owner, since sex wasn't discussed beforehand.
2) Sex wasn't discussed because I knew that sex is assumed, and that the major part of the minimum 1000 baht tip in Hero is for the sex.
3) I also didn't raise the question of smoking-without-condom, because it didn't cross my mind. By now I've been with rentboys in circa ten countries, and NO ONE has ever told me that he sucks only with condoms.
You live and learn...

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I've noticed that--some of the best sucking I've ever gotten has been from straight and bi (but very masculine) guys. Masculine are the best.

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In my early visits to Bangkok, I had one or two guys who would only give me a bj with me wearing a condom and I declined, gave them a minimum tip and departed. In retrospect I think these guys were either straight or were just not into me, either way I guess if someone is not keen on you then they probably won't want to risk catching something however unlikely that might be. In all other subsequent cases though, and there have been countless, no condom was requested. I find that if the guy is really into you there is no stopping what they might let you do, and so the risk is all yours. The prior clinical analysis of what may or may not happen is a complete turnoff for me. In my experience it has been best to go with the flow, always respecting the other person's right to refuse which they never seem to do these days anyway.

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