Icon is formally withdrawing his seal of approval from Nice Guy's, following a visit tonight which was the lousiest ever.

The boy could hardly give a massage, didn't bathe first (although he bathed me), and would do nothing in the way of sex: not even nipple licking. All he would do was jerk me off, allow me to suck him briefly, and then jerk himself off. And he had bad breath, to boot.

My past five visits to this place have all been unsatisfactory, but I kept saying I'd give them another chance. No more.

For the record, Icon's own personal opinion of Nice Guy's is:

1) The owner is an obnoxious cunt who treats his employees like property (the slave-selling scene in "Roots" comes to mind...) and his customers not much better ("no, you may not have anything to drink until you choose a boy");

2) The facilities are shitty: no steam, no sauna, no jacuzzi...nothing but tackily furnished rooms with jury-rigged bath tubs in them (canvas sheeting duct-taped to the walls to protect them from the water).

3) The boys on five of my past six visits have given only rudimentary massages, followed by even less-than-rudimentary "service" afterwards.

4) For all its substandard facilities and services, it charges no less than anywhere else.

Others will surely have their opinions, and they are no less valid than my own. Please do not flame me for having one.

I stopped going there a while back. I agree about the lackluster effort. Unfortunately, Nobody is becoming very much the same. I didd have a nice massage at the Ambassador today. Was int he mroning. Boy named Pongapong (something like that). Compact sized guy, good massage, knew lots fo tricks, was eager to get naked, would have done anything I'm sure.

Shocked to learn that Nice Guy has deterioated in service. The last visit I had was about two months ago. There are a few points which I wish to register:

1 The boss is definitely an intimidating person at least for the boys. He controls them with an iron fist. Having said that, I find most of the time he was quite pleasant at least in providing me with info regarding the boys.

2 As for the boys, most of them have rudimentary skills in massage. I always asked them where they learnt massage and the standard answer was that they learnt through hands on after some basic skills imparted to them through their peer group.

3 There are a few roses though not many among them. I too had my ups and downs at Nice Guy. On one occassion, the boy left to wash immediately I had finished the bottom job on him. Disgusting attitude.

4 Generally the boys' attitude in most places are fairly similar. Probably they are now better informed and affluent because we are fairly generous in tipping them. Even the country boys learn fast from the city boys.

5 It needs another financial crisis to hit them hard and probably then they will pay better attention and service to the customers.

6 Alternatively we can spread the message of good and bad services of go go bars and massage parlours through this board. The bad ones should be given a miss for a time until they improve their performances. Ha ..ha.. ha..

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very sorry for straying off the topic, but I wouldn't be able to wank myself tonight if I ignored the above quote.

Dear poochai22

Maybe that guy, like other Thais, was a very clean person. He might not mean to upset you on purpose at all.

Also, don't forget the fact that you were his stranger. If I were you I would praise him for looking after (cleaning) himself well after having sex with a stranger. Please do not get me wrong, I am not saying that you may carry any disease. But whether you and all his clients may or may not carry any disease, it is his good practice to take precautions and "safety first".

No offence intended, darling.

Was in Bkk for 10 days recently, and went to Nice Guy on 2 consecutive days (Wed and Thursday). Took the same guy on both days. Good, deep massage. Nothing more. He bathed me, then himself, and stripped naked even without my asking him to do so. After the massage, he left the room for a short while and returned with a glass of cold water, and courteously offered it to me, before bathing me once again.

The massage lasted slightly more than 1 hr. He touched the right accupoints of my body, especially the lower back abs. At the end of the massage, we did compare our dick size He was slightly thicker, but I was slightly longer. No other hanky panky involved. I like his service, so I booked him the following day. He's a 20 yo guy from Roi Et. Charming, straight boy but spoke little English.

By the way, the manager is new, and so is the captain. They have been appointed from the ranks (they were massage boys before). Understood that the owner, the gruffy old man called Dom, was faced with a dilemma when several of his boys "walked out" and joined a new massage club in Silom. He then gave free hands to the newly appointed manager and the captain, and made himself scarce these days.

Apparently, the manager (James) and the captain (Mhen) did a good job. For in a few days, they managed to persuade majority of their counterparts to return to Nice Guy.

I understand too, that ALL the boys there are straight (men)! None are gays or bottoms (what a pity). I have suggested to the manager that some customers might prefer a gay masseur (and a bottom one at that). They should therefore have variety.

But I find that most of the boys who lined up during the selection process are fairly good looking - young, tanned, smooth, nice bods, hard pecs, hunky looks.

I am happy with Nice Guy and will still use their services, as I have good experiences there so far. They could do with a bit of renovation work though. The whole place looks tired.

The new managerial system you describe seems similar to the old days, when the owner used to sit in the window minding his own business. I used to meet him outside and he was always pleasant..once I met him at a foot massage place scouting some boys working there. But then suddenly, he got all aggressive and became a control freak.
Now Boyishunk has given us new hope...as he says, all the boys are usually pretty good. But many I have met there are definately gay..one now works at Arena massage on Silom and another at Aqua. There are gay employees..like the cashiers for example, but they are the owners boyfriends and not to be touched!

Hahahahah nice to hear that I've given new hope. Thanks Jtrack!

I hope I have given out the correct info. This was in fact told to me by the massage boy himself (with his smuttering of English), and confirmed when I spoke to James and Mhen, the new manager and captain respectively. They insisted that ALL the boys are actually not gay - those that are have since left the place.

As for the boys being straight men, I can't vouch for them all. But I know for a fact that the 20 yo boy who massaged me is straight. He has a string of girls and women after his thick dick. And he would fuck guys only when he's at work (if called to, with suitable renumeration). He's totally not interested in any guys for the sake of fun, since he can get the fairer sex (poo ying).

Same goes for 2 other boys there I know. One 23yo boy is even married and his wife has recently given birth to a baby girl (few weeks old). The other guy is only 18yo (perhaps the youngest in the bunch) and comes from Roi Et. He too has a pretty girlfriend (I met her).

I personally would like Nice Guy to have a couple of gay bottom masseurs. Not that I flirt with the boys during massage, but it's comforting for me to know that in case I am more horny than I need a good massage, help is at hand

I don't see what being "straight" or "gay" has to do with doing a job.

I mean, you shouldn't be in the sex industry if you aren't willing to perform sex -- at least oral -- and to at least make it appear that it is not an odious duty. A perfunctory hand job just doesn't cut it -- I am more than capable of doing that for myself, thank you very much!.

I have known many "straight", married bar boys who have been fantastic lovers: kissers, head-givers, and yes, even bottoms. They have an aim-to-please, service-oriented mentality that seems to becoming harder and harder to find.

Not that I would insist that all rent boys be willing to bottom, but I do not think that a little kissing, licking, sucking, and grinding is too much to ask from someone who is, after all selling sex.

I hope the above doesn't sound too crass and sensitive. Of course, these boys are not sex slaves and deserved to be treated with respect. But they ARE prostitutes, after all, are they not?

"But they ARE prostitutes, after all, are they not?"

Well, I beg to differ. I for one, view them (the boys offering massage) in a different light. They have a service to sell, that is, their massage skill. They are therefore providing a service other than sex, which may be a subsidiary service they could perform. This differs from the boys at the go-go bars where the sole service they provide is sex, and so technically, they could be called prostitutes.

I agree with Icon though, that being gay or straight should not be an issue if they choose to work in such an industry. They should be willing to perform what is asked of them, without any qualms. In reality, of course, as Icon pointed out, it's increasingly harder to get that service-oriented mentality in such boys.

The discussion seems to be getting a bit hot and I would also like to give my views on this issue.

Whether you like it or not, these massage parlour boys are still viewed as male prostitutes and not just massage boys. It does not matter whether they are straight or gay, married or otherwise. If they are in the sex service industry then they jolly well have to accept reality. If some still think so, they are just kidding themselves. Massage service is only a facade.

Most of boys in the massage parlours, as I've said earlier, have only rudimentary skills in massage and if I am not wrong, most of us visit these places more for sex rather than just a perfunctory massage, at least I'm one of them.

If I really need a good massage I would have gone to the traditional Thai massage parlours where there are no hanky panky business and these massuers really give you a good and relaxing massage.

I subscribe to what icon said that if they just do the hand job only then we might as well do it ourselves. We definitely can satisfy ourselves. Hence we go to these places for something more than just comparing dicks or just letting their hands to press on our backs.

Of course, some boys prefer doing top jobs only while others are comfortable with both. We respect their preferences and hence I always check whether the boy is agreeable to my request before I pick him. That will avoid unnecessary misunderstandings or disappointments.

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Been going to Nice Guys since it opened. Maybe boringly, but usually have the same guy (same when I go to Hero, Ambassador etc). At Nice Guy have Jak who is probably the most popular guy in that best to book ahead - starts getting passionate while bathing you at the start, keeps you excited during the massage (including getting you into an interesting position) and gives more than a hand job at the end. My first visits to Banana and Albury were disappointing so never went back but reading comments on CFS should probably try them again. I like NG as the bath makes it different just like at Hero having the body to body in the steam room makes a change from the straight forward massage. Agree with other posters that we should really not tip much for bad service and should inform the management as well.