As one of the unfortunate few who make the difference between no-risk and low-risk I can attest to the fact that pre-cum can--and did, in my case--make you seroconvert. Since 1981 I had safe sex, within monogamous relationship. In 1996 I sucked ONE cock, in July, without a rubber, for about one minute, no cum. That was the only sex I had. Two weeks later I had, according to my then doctor, a probably viral infection of unknown causes (flu-like, with spots all over my body). 6 months later, tested positive during routine physical. Low risk doesn't equal no risk.

BUCKONYC,

So, you are in a monogamous relationship since 1981 and in 1996 you sucked a cock and were told by your 'then' doctor two weeks later that you were probably infected? Then, six months later you tested postitive. (By the same Doc or another?)

What sex, if any, did you have during that six month period?

(I ask only because something sprung you from your monogamous relationship and I wonder if it started and ended with that cock you sucked or if it continued on during the following six months?)

If, since your monogamous relationship in 1981, you only sucked that one cock for one minute and are now, as a result, HIV+, please contact me. Such a clear line of infection would obviously enhance research and education into transmission and treatment.

Thanks, and continued good health.





[This message has been edited by HB (edited May 17, 1999).]

topic seems to have moved from IS ORAL SEX SAFE..to can I get HIV via ORAL SEX...

two very diferent topics, actually.

the Reported Transmission rate for HIV and SeroConversion is low BUT GREATER Than ZERo for receptive oral sex.

the reported/calculated transmission rate for Hepatitis C via oral route is also GREATER THAN ZERO. (yes, virginia, HepC is also considered an STD)

As for the rest of the STD's..many can be transmitted via oral-genital contact and fluid sharing...
Herpes, Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, and a few other nasties can be shared that way.

the universally appricable advice is:

MINIMIZE THE SHARING OF FLUIDS (as tempting as that may be to ignore)

SUCKING A CONDOM WRAPPED COCK may not be perfect...but (in my experience) CAN provide for more relaxed enjoyment either as the suckee or the sucker...as you no longer have to be as worried about "what if?" for me ...I last a few more delicious strokes before shooting...and can freely suck and deep throat the cock without worrying about "when and if" i can pull off before he shoots. It is indeed a trade off...but is a less worried event better than a wetter but riskier one?..

as mom and grandma always said."..remember to wear you rubbers if you are going to go out and play and get wet..."

if they only knew!

Ok, don't laugh and I know it probably has zilch scientific integrity but..........I find that by not swallowing my own saliva while performing oral it makes it easier to spit out the jizz after the guy cums.

The downside is that you don't get to taste it.

Ok, tell me how incredibly wrong I am.....

Hi,
Buckonyc, I was sorry to hear of your positive status but I appreciated your sharing your experience with the rest of us.
I was 21 when I received my first blowjob. He was a "greek god" to me and ever since I have enjoyed sitting back while a great mouth "parties" on my crotch! Resting my hand on the back of his neck, feeling his head bob between my thighs,...I digress, forgive me.
My point is although I enjoy versatile sex I agree that most likely it is the deepthroating that is mostly responsbile for transmission of disease. Two years ago, at age 36, I was also diagnosed HIV+.
Whether I was sucking or getting sucked I loved the feeling in the throat. I used to think that if you didn't swallow, and I never did, you would be just fine. I was wrong. I always used condoms during anal intercourse, which didn't happen but with 11 guys in my entire life. People are still getting HIV, STDs and they are still dying from both.
YOU CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL! And believe me, you can't appreciate how valuable your health is until you have lost it.

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[This message has been edited by greatguy (edited May 27, 1999).]

greatguy,
Thanks for a great posting. I love your discription of getting a blowjob--Resting my
hand on the back of his neck, feeling his head bob between my thighs--it's enough to give me a BIG WOODY! How are you doing two years into your HIV infection, both physically and emotionally?

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dick13,
Thank you for your concern. I am fine.
When my t-cell count was first taken after diagnosis it was down to around 375. Had I been tested earlier I could have started treatment earlier and my cell count could have been maintained at a higher amount, hence, the importance of being tested early and often when you are engaging in risky behavior. After treatment started my little army of defenders doubled to around 750. A case of the flu and they were back into the 600 range. I have recently been exercising vigorously and they are up into the 860's. March on little guys!
As far as my mental state - I am lucky. I have been very fortunate and very lucky in having been blessed with a great family unit of relatives and friends. A strong faith goes a long, long way too! So I can honestly say that I am doing OK.
I do not discuss my status very much, only when I am asked by my doctor or a few very close friends. However, everyone should be aware of the risk.
Bye the way, my doctor is of the school of HIT IT HARD & HIT IT EARLY. In my case it seems to be working.
Thanks again for your interest. God Bless!

Got to agree with HB. Also got a pretty stiff dick reading about how dicksucking makes the sucker feel. I also love getting deep-throated by a good-looking guy. It's the best feeling in the world, especially when he's into it, and I've been lucky to be with some great head-givers. I also have that slight bit of guilt for not reciprocating, but good to hear that most of you guys think that's OK. Also, I must admit that I love guys to continue to suck and ask for me to blast off in their mouths or down their throats. Hot stuff. Thanks to all the eager, excited and enthusiastic dicksuckers of the world. You guys are great.

Got to agree with HB. Also got a pretty stiff dick reading about how dicksucking makes the sucker feel. I also love getting deep-throated by a good-looking guy. It's the best feeling in the world, especially when he's into it, and I've been lucky to be with some great head-givers. I also have that slight bit of guilt for not reciprocating, but good to hear that most of you guys think that's OK. Also, I must admit that I love guys to continue to suck and ask for me to blast off in their mouths or down their throats. Hot stuff. Thanks to all the eager, excited and enthusiastic dicksuckers of the world. You guys are great.

Got to agree with HB. Also got a pretty stiff dick reading about how dicksucking makes the sucker feel. I also love getting deep-throated by a good-looking guy. It's the best feeling in the world, especially when he's into it, and I've been lucky to be with some great head-givers. I also have that slight bit of guilt for not reciprocating, but good to hear that most of you guys think that's OK. Also, I must admit that I love guys to continue to suck and ask for me to blast off in their mouths or down their throats. Hot stuff. Thanks to all the eager, excited and enthusiastic dicksuckers of the world. You guys are great.

there has NOT been One case of a person becoming hiv pocitive because of oral sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!not one.......

Jock claims: >>there has NOT been One case of a person becoming hiv pocitive because of oral sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!not one.......<<

Dear Jock,

This is not a true statement. Even if you refuse to believe the words of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, it is sad that the men right here telling you their own stories doesn't catch your attention.

There is a difference is striving to live in a sex-positive way in this day and age, and simply being misinformed. Sadly, there are too many young men who believe this.

Try downloading the "HIV_NEWS.PDF" at http://www.cdc.gov/publications.htm?

You might learn something- maybe even live a nice long and healthy life for it too.

Tim

I learned how to jack off in the 2nd grade under the cement steps of a catholic school and got my first blowjob in the 4th grade from a school buddy on my baceball team cuz we made a bet for a blowjob over a ping pong game. I really didnt think he would put my cock in his mouth but he was quite willing to pull down my pants and suck my cock and being a good sportsman he open his 501s and offered me his cock. He was uncut and from that point on i became a cocksucker and a skin hunter. I grew up in a navy town with a YMCA and i would go there all the time and let the sailors suck my cock. When i beat my meat i always dream about opening a guys fly licking his underwear and then sucking on his dick. I Have sucked many cocks all differant kinds. I have bicycled across the usa 5 times and i have got cock in every sorta place. sometimes i look at a guy and within 20 seconds his pants are open and he is feeding me his cock. The cocksucker is deffenantly getting as much pleasure as the guy getting sucked. I love to suck a lot more that get head. I always suck a few cocks before i feed my sweatlog to a hungry cocksucker. I like to save up a big wad for a week sometimes and beat off a few times with out cumming and then find a guy with cocksucker eyes and surprise him with a magnum load. One time in a adult theater i was letting thies old men blow me for 2 or 3 hours and i was saving my cum for a wet dream so i wasnt going to feed them my love eggs. but i got so horny i stood up and jacked off and hit the guy in the back of the head 2 rows up. you should have heard them old men moan when i shot. I sucked a old fucker off too just a month ago he must have been 75 he pulled out a really nice cock it was real long and fat and had a nice nipple foreskin. i thought id give this old fucker a good blow job for all the old fucks that ate my cum. man did this guy surprise me he must not have jacked off for a halfa year. i never had more cum fill my mouth and it was good. he kept thanking me. i kept thanking him. i know i got the best of the deal. when im bicycleing i never know where i am going to get a cock to suck. I have a 7'' cock with big nuts. everytime i let a cocksucker feed on my meat they always tell me "man you really have nice balls." so i guess i just go lucky for a skinny guy. I wish i had a foreskin thow i really think they are cool and sometimes when im sucking cock that has a nice foreskin it can make me cum like a wet dream without touching my cock and im a hard guy to get off. the most cock i ever sucked in one day was 17 at the univercity of washington and the best blow job i ever got was from this kid in a park that asked me if i would piss while he sucked my cock. his lips worked my dick so it felt like i was cumming a gallon.and then he sucked my cum. it grossed me out but i kept seeing him in the park and i must have let him do that to me a dozen times before i seen he was uncut and had a good looking cock so i went home with him and we 69 piss all night. i have only done that with 4 guys. but i have sucked hundreds of cocks and have never got anything but a good feeling. it took a while to learn how to deepthroat and i love that when a guy gets his cock way down my throat. I love to wake up from a guy sucking my cock and i love to suck men in their sleep too. I never mind if a guy dont reciprocate cuz i know after i cum i could care less for a dick for about a half hour before i get that dick hunger again.

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Jock,
You are WRONG! Do your homework!! We need to be responsible for our own safety including the younger generation who look to our experiences for guidance. I urge you to educate yourself.

I LOVE oral sex. I have been letting guys service my meat for close to 15 years BUT, I have always walked away afterwards wondering if I was carrying "SOMETHING" with me that I didn't have before my zipper came down. On several occasions I didn't have to wait long, sometimes less than 24 hours, to discover that I had picked up a "nonspecific" nuisance.(If I knew I that I got it, then they KNEW that they had it).
But I have been lucky that it was never anything worse.
WE have been VERY, VERY LUCKY.
I have let a lot of guys swing on my big dick in the past, still do, but I KNOW the risks involved and I try to reduce them. I may CHOOSE to take the risk, but at least I KNOW them.
A lot of people are going to read these posts and possibly make choices that will effect their own futures based on what is offered here. What of the young teen, not out, still with his parents, who reads your dogmatic, but inaccurate, statement of no known case of oral transmission. He takes what you say as the truth, his first mistake. He kneels in front a ripped muscle dude in the gym sauna for only a few minutes, rejoicing at the feel of a fat, mushroom cockhead pulsing in the back of his throat, his second mistake. Slowly he pulls his nose out of his "trophy score's" pubic mass and softly milks the last drops of cum from the now flacid slab of flesh resting between his lips. What of this young kid, Jock, who develops a fever, starts becoming disoriented, suffers from muscle and head aches? He eventually needs a doctor, Money for treatments, A hospital. Sooner, before later, this kid is going to have to have a talk with his parents and whoever else? What becomes of his life now, Jock? Why does this happen?
Because Jock said it was OK!!
Cocksuckers, before you open your mouths, BECOME INFORMED!!

Re: oral sex
Let me start by saying that i personally hate the taste of cum. It's dangerous and can cause you heath problems.
Only once in my 29 years of my life has anyone ever cum in my mouth and that person suffer a busted lip over it. Swallowing cum is sick and perverted and should not be allow during sex. I would never come in someones else's mouth or ass. Its as dangerous as barebacking. Stop the cum swallowing and you will live longer heathier lives.